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Usenet: They hardly knew yee
Ever more ISPs are dropping their complimentary Usenet subscriptions.
And people seem increasingly getting fed up with the ever greater encroachment of the rabble-rousing rabble, disrupting for disruption's sake, the look at me types, a worsening of a long trend made possible by Usenet's wonderful freedom, its flip side. But the paltry number of posts per day in RCC these days, what, about five a day on average, the lowest I've ever seen, is mostly the fault of those who have left. Where have they gone? I miss some, not others. Short list of the AWOL with a little help from Google Groups: * Barry Kutner -- local show buddy who got fed up with the dark side of numismatics, not just RCC * John Carney -- another local show buddy who may be sailing around the world right now, maybe looking for sunken treasure, maybe not * Fred A. Murphy -- old-time collector/dealer of lots of things who knew lots about the coin business * Stujoe -- off running his CoinPeople site, or is it now the Stujoe Collection? or both? * Phil DeMayo -- getting his law degree no doubt * Alan Williams -- too many rolls of 2009 cents from the bank to go through * Eric Tillery -- health problems? * Steven Preston -- good doc with justifiably bad temper and lots of Morgans and insights * R.W. Julian -- bona fide numismatist and uber knowledgeable guy off to less tempestuous waters * Tom DeLorey -- another numismatist who appears to have been put off the by increasing rough and tumble * Alan Herbert -- yet another numismatist who no longer dares to come here * A.Gent -- was anything but and changed his handle later * Larry Calder -- off to a better place than this life Lots of others too. Changing (Internet) world. More splintered, as with television. Still lots of community, but you sometimes have to look harder. -- Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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Usenet: They hardly knew yee
Reid Goldsborough wrote:
Where have they gone? I miss some, not others. Short list of the AWOL with a little help from Google Groups: * A.Gent -- was anything but and changed his handle later ....because no-one appreciated the *silver* pun in the name :-( I'm sure you didn't find my continual corrections of your silly assertions very gentlemanly, but what the hey. Like most folk, I've just grown bored at the repetitious junk posted here. I still skim most days, and will answer any genuine questions where I can help, but... Since so many people are anxious to believe Internet-spawned rubbish, there's not much profit in trying to correct it. http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png So feel free, Reid, to misuse metallurgical terms (I believe "eutectic" was your most recent malaprop) or to claim that wire brushes can melt coin surfaces (etc. etc. ad. inf.) - I probably won't be there to harass you. ....but I might... -- Jeff R. |
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Usenet: They hardly knew yee
"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... Ever more ISPs are dropping their complimentary Usenet subscriptions. And people seem increasingly getting fed up with the ever greater encroachment of the rabble-rousing rabble, disrupting for disruption's sake, the look at me types, a worsening of a long trend made possible by Usenet's wonderful freedom, its flip side. But the paltry number of posts per day in RCC these days, what, about five a day on average, the lowest I've ever seen, is mostly the fault of those who have left. Apparently, there's little else that needs to be known about coins. Most all questions have been answered by now. The more chatty types have migrated to Facebook or Twitter. All that's left here are the daily Googled news reports, the occasional ForSale ads, and meaningless posts like this. Meanwhile, just continue to ponder the old RCC, the Oldsmobile, and that little rubber hose we ran our bikes over at the gas station just to make the bell ring and the attendant come out. |
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Usenet: They hardly knew yee
On Apr 1, 7:37*am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:
* * Apparently, there's little else that needs to be known about coins. Most all questions have been answered by now. *The more chatty types have migrated to Facebook or Twitter. *All that's left here are the daily Googled news reports, the occasional ForSale ads, and meaningless posts like this.. * * Meanwhile, just continue to ponder the old RCC, the Oldsmobile, and that little rubber hose we ran our bikes over at the gas station just to make the bell ring and the attendant come out. Usenet is a valuable resource where you can post without fear of being censored or banned by some "moderator" of a corporate site for saying something that puts the host corporation in a bad light. Posters on blogs and nonprofit websites risk offending the egos or prejudices of the owner, and may likewise find themselves banned. Ebay has message boards, but takes adverse action against members for REPORTING scams! Of course, for decades it has been known that the coin trade publications will not "bite the hand that feeds them." The downside is that the openness of Usenet also lets in the trolls who relish in causing disruption. ---- Frank Provasek Rare Coins http://www.frankcoins.com Ebay FRANKCOINS Member ANA, Texas Numismatic Assoc, Texas Coin Dealers Assoc, PCGS, NGC, & ANACS authorized dealer, Texas Auctioneer Lic 11259 |
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Usenet: They hardly knew yee
"Frank" wrote in message
... The downside is that the openness of Usenet also lets in the trolls who relish in causing disruption. Fwankie, Fwankie, Fwankie, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Where else could you spin your paranoid conspiracy tales about how the entire numismatic community is out to get you and your eBay auctions? I forget, are you the professional numismatist you claim to be on eBay or the engineer you claim to be on Amazon? I'm cornfused! |
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Usenet: They hardly knew yee
"Bob F." wrote in message ... "Frank" wrote in message ... The downside is that the openness of Usenet also lets in the trolls who relish in causing disruption. Fwankie, Fwankie, Fwankie, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Where else could you spin your paranoid conspiracy tales about how the entire numismatic community is out to get you and your eBay auctions? I forget, are you the professional numismatist you claim to be on eBay or the engineer you claim to be on Amazon? I'm cornfused! Case in point. |
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Usenet: They hardly knew yee
Frank wrote:
On Apr 1, 7:37 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote: Apparently, there's little else that needs to be known about coins. Most all questions have been answered by now. The more chatty types have migrated to Facebook or Twitter. All that's left here are the daily Googled news reports, the occasional ForSale ads, and meaningless posts like this. Meanwhile, just continue to ponder the old RCC, the Oldsmobile, and that little rubber hose we ran our bikes over at the gas station just to make the bell ring and the attendant come out. Usenet is a valuable resource where you can post without fear of being censored or banned by some "moderator" of a corporate site for saying something that puts the host corporation in a bad light. Posters on blogs and nonprofit websites risk offending the egos or prejudices of the owner, and may likewise find themselves banned. Ebay has message boards, but takes adverse action against members for REPORTING scams! Of course, for decades it has been known that the coin trade publications will not "bite the hand that feeds them." The downside is that the openness of Usenet also lets in the trolls who relish in causing disruption. ---- Frank Provasek Rare Coins http://www.frankcoins.com Ebay FRANKCOINS Member ANA, Texas Numismatic Assoc, Texas Coin Dealers Assoc, PCGS, NGC, & ANACS authorized dealer, Texas Auctioneer Lic 11259 Maybe, just maybe, once the free usenet is gone the trolls will be gone too. I use Giganews now. http://www.giganews.com/ The service is great and the cost is minimal. Trolls may not want to pay. JAM |
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Usenet: They hardly knew yee
Bruce Remick wrote:
Apparently, there's little else that needs to be known about coins. Most all questions have been answered by now. The more chatty types have migrated to Facebook or Twitter. All that's left here are the daily Googled news reports, the occasional ForSale ads, and meaningless posts like this. You say this is a meaningless post, yet you respond. It's hardly meaningless, discussing the nature of what we're using to discuss coins, how it has evolved over the years. I have to take issue as well with your remarkable statement that there's little else that's needed to be known about coins. Some scientist a few years before 1905 said the same thing about science, and I suppose people have always been saying similar things about lots of subjects. There's lots left to be learned about coins, though with individuals the longer you're around the less there's typically left to learn and with coin types the newer they are the less uncertainty and debatability that typically exists. Agree with you about social networking sites. There's also the blogosphere, with many people, particularly younger people, liking a place to call their own where they can hold forth and let people in as they like. I still like the open commons approach of Usenet and e-mail lists, even moderated ones, over blogging as group conversation. The Googled news reports by stonej and Arizona Coin Collector are the best aspects of RCC right now. The worst aspect is the three or so attack guys using anonymous handles who have pretty much taken over and ruined things. One guy goes after a dealer here every time he posts with meaningless attacks. Others seem to randomly attack people, without wit or intelligence, telling them "Shut the f**k up!" and so on when they doesn't like their posts, newcomers, old-timers, doesn't matter. A good number of truly knowledgeable collectors, dealers, and academic types (and not only the ones I mentioned in my initial post) have left RCC specifically because of the attack guys, because they've been meaninglessly attacked this way, and I've heard from several who still occasionally lurk, when they've responded to posts of mine through email rather than publicly and said they were doing this because (they felt) RCC has become an attack group. You still have a few advanced collectors such as Mr. Jaggers who try to help out wherever they can. You also still have Those Who Can Never Be Wrong, arguing and arguing no matter what, with only a minority of people confident or honest enough to concede points, but this has always been an aspect of online communications, one of its aspects like flaming that's much more prominent than with in-person communication. But it's the attack stuff, always an aspect, that's gotten worse. It's kind of sad, the way things are here, this group having lost not only most of its posters and posts but also most of its vibrancy and usefulness. At least Anka is still here. -- Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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Usenet: They hardly knew yee
Reid Goldsborough wrote:
Ever more ISPs are dropping their complimentary Usenet subscriptions. And people seem increasingly getting fed up with the ever greater encroachment of the rabble-rousing rabble, disrupting for disruption's sake, the look at me types, a worsening of a long trend made possible by Usenet's wonderful freedom, its flip side. But the paltry number of posts per day in RCC these days, what, about five a day on average, the lowest I've ever seen, is mostly the fault of those who have left. Where have they gone? I miss some, not others. Short list of the AWOL with a little help from Google Groups: [list snipped] I don't think you're going to find any organization or club that keeps its same members year after year, decade after decade. Each of us goes through life facing this challenge and that, which divert our attention and our treasure from things we once held dear. As for the alleged influx of trolls, well, think back five years (that's my tenure here) and you'll see two individuals who at that time constantly stalked two of our regulars. A quick flick of the killfile switch and zipzap, they're gone, if you're so inclined. A lot of the individuals in your list left during and immediately after the lawsuit, and several more at the time of the alt.life.sucks affair. In the former, some of them may have brought on their own troubles, and in the latter, well, look at society at large, and all of a sudden those guys seem like the guys in your hunting club. It takes all kinds. Thank goodness. The person I miss the most is Amistad, who has found other interests to occupy his hours and resources. The persons I miss the least are those who leave and then briefly return to tell us what a bunch of cads we all are, and how much more civil is the talk on this or that moderated board, then disappear for good. About them I say, thank God and Greyhound they're gone. James |
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Usenet: They hardly knew yee
Mr. Jaggers wrote: The person I miss the most is Amistad, who has found other interests to occupy his hours and resources. Larry used to run the swaps, which I miss as well. It was a thankless and time consuming job that he took on, for the benefit of others. Yeah...I miss Amistad too. |
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