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  #11  
Old August 23rd 06, 08:35 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Dave Hinz
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:29:17 +0200, Bob Hairgrove wrote:
On 23 Aug 2006 05:46:38 -0700, "Dr Ewan Jackson"
wrote:

In any events, most of the eBay dealers who aren't charlatans do not
sell coins worth collecting.


What is your definition of a "serious collector"? I must have missed
that somewhere down the line.


Oh, he graced us with that, you may have missed it. Apparently anyone
other than collectors of ancient and/or Roman coins (I forget which he
said) is just an accumulator. Who knew?

That said, I've got some old Roman stuff, and (shrug) I don't see any
point in getting any more of 'em.
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  #12  
Old August 23rd 06, 08:36 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Bob Hairgrove
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On 23 Aug 2006 19:35:05 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:29:17 +0200, Bob Hairgrove wrote:
On 23 Aug 2006 05:46:38 -0700, "Dr Ewan Jackson"
wrote:

In any events, most of the eBay dealers who aren't charlatans do not
sell coins worth collecting.


What is your definition of a "serious collector"? I must have missed
that somewhere down the line.


Oh, he graced us with that, you may have missed it. Apparently anyone
other than collectors of ancient and/or Roman coins (I forget which he
said) is just an accumulator. Who knew?


Thanks, Dave ... I wonder how many of these "serious collectors" ever
find something they consider to be collectible in their pocket change?


That said, I've got some old Roman stuff, and (shrug) I don't see any
point in getting any more of 'em.


--
Bob Hairgrove

  #13  
Old August 23rd 06, 11:51 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Dr. Roman Coinclecter
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"Bob Hairgrove" wrote in message
...
On 23 Aug 2006 05:46:38 -0700, "Dr Ewan Jackson"
wrote:

In any events, most of the eBay dealers who aren't charlatans do not
sell coins worth collecting.


What is your definition of a "serious collector"? I must have missed
that somewhere down the line.


You can only be a serious coin collector if you are a doctor.
;-)


  #14  
Old August 24th 06, 01:12 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Dave Hinz
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:51:39 GMT, Dr. Roman Coinclecter wrote:

"Bob Hairgrove" wrote in message
...
On 23 Aug 2006 05:46:38 -0700, "Dr Ewan Jackson"
wrote:

In any events, most of the eBay dealers who aren't charlatans do not
sell coins worth collecting.


What is your definition of a "serious collector"? I must have missed
that somewhere down the line.


You can only be a serious coin collector if you are a doctor.
;-)


Doctorate, apparently, not "heal people" doctor.

  #15  
Old August 24th 06, 02:42 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Dr. Roman Coinclecter
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"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:51:39 GMT, Dr. Roman Coinclecter

wrote:

"Bob Hairgrove" wrote in message
...
On 23 Aug 2006 05:46:38 -0700, "Dr Ewan Jackson"
wrote:

In any events, most of the eBay dealers who aren't charlatans do not
sell coins worth collecting.

What is your definition of a "serious collector"? I must have missed
that somewhere down the line.


You can only be a serious coin collector if you are a doctor.
;-)


Doctorate, apparently, not "heal people" doctor.


I recommend amputation of the diseased accumulation. Those suffering from
accumulationitis can always get an accumulationectomy.
I have a bad case of Jeffersonitis with that dreadful steporeah that comes
with this terrible infection. You don't even want to see the rash!
I really feel bad for those who have Silverhoarders Syndrome--thank God for
the Silverhoarders Research Institute and that wonderful recovery program
created by Dr. Dansco.
;-)




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Old August 24th 06, 05:54 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
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Dr Ewan Jackson wrote:
Dear fellow collectors

I am on the verge of completing a collection of all the ancient Roman
coins of each and every emperors. I am down to my last 2 emperors.
Has anybody EVER seen a coin of the emperors Glycerius and Olybrius?
The alleged Glycerius on wildwinds.com is a gross misattribution of a
commonplace Honorius, and I have never seen either a Glycerius or an
Olybrius for sale - not in any of the major auction houses, let alone
on e-fake i mean eBay.
If anybody has any information about where or how I might obtain these,
I would be greatly appreciative.

Ewan


ewan, i'm impressed. i have to assume since you are only missing
olybrius and glycerius you're skipping all the usurpers as well as the
proto-byzantines arcadius-anastasius. it's too bad you've come this far
and not decided to add the empresses as well - what are you going to do
when you actually get these two guys?

i've been shown, and tentatively offered a glycerius a few years ago
but was much too expensive at $10,000 for me to afford it (a
tremissis). still, that was a relative bargain. there have been a
number of glycerii available.

olybrius is another matter altogether. the last tremissis for sale
*that i'm aware of* was in the neville '25 sale a picture of which can
be seen at http://tantaluscoins.com/browse.php?qs=olybrius along with a
cast from the BM's only sample.

not counting usurpers and empresses the set can be completed and i
would have guessed olybrius would have been the most difficult. the
full imperial set, which i'm pursuing myself, would look like this:

http://tantaluscoins.com/coins/grid28.php

ras

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Old August 24th 06, 11:03 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Dave Welsh
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olybrius is another matter altogether. the last tremissis for sale
*that i'm aware of* was in the neville '25 sale a picture of which can
be seen at http://tantaluscoins.com/browse.php?qs=olybrius along with a
cast from the BM's only sample.

That's not the last Olybrius sold.

Mazzini, PL. LXXVI (ex Jameson no. 538, ex Levis 1925, ex Amecourt no. 825)
is one example, if there was nothing later (which I find hard to believe).
They do come up for sale at intervals measured in decades. It's worth noting
that Mazzini had a solidus and two tremisses of Glycerius, but only the one
tremissis of Olybrius.

Lacam records four examples of solidi (two varieties, all from Rome) and six
tremisses, two from Rome and four from Milan. This is not a complete census.
There are specimens in private hands not included in his research.

Lacam, incidentally, credits the BM with one solidus and three tremisses of
Olybrius.

It is however true that the coinage of Olybrius is so extremely rare that
some of the most important collections lack an example - the ANS and
Dumbarton Oaks collections, for instance. So if Dr. Jackson succeeds in that
quest, it will be quite an accomplishment.


Dave Welsh
Classical Coins
www.classicalcoins.com



  #18  
Old August 24th 06, 11:45 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Dr Ewan Jackson
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Dave Hinz wrote:
On 23 Aug 2006 05:46:38 -0700, Dr Ewan Jackson wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:


My. What a _remarkable coincidence_ that these two just happened to
just show up here.
Hey "doc".


Libelous.


How so, doc?


You were implying I am not really a Ph.D. in a public forum. How is
that not libelous?

I don't suppose you can provide an actual cite for that
claim. Because your number seems a bit, shall we say, suspect.


The point of my post, which you evidently read (but did not grasp) is
that MANY dealers on eBay are fakers of antiquities.


No, doc, you said "50%". You made a specific, numeric claim.


And no reasonable person would have taken my claim to mean that I have
meticulously carried out a survey of eFake dealers and arrived at that
precise percentage. Only a moron would have taken my statement
literally.

I note you haven't disputed my point, or even engaged my argument,
preferring to attack me based on semantics instead.

If that is your game you should know that 50% is not a numeric but a
percentile.

[wankage snipped to save you further embarassment]


Ewan

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Old August 24th 06, 11:47 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Dr Ewan Jackson
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Dave Hinz wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:29:17 +0200, Bob Hairgrove wrote:
On 23 Aug 2006 05:46:38 -0700, "Dr Ewan Jackson"
wrote:

In any events, most of the eBay dealers who aren't charlatans do not
sell coins worth collecting.


What is your definition of a "serious collector"? I must have missed
that somewhere down the line.


Oh, he graced us with that, you may have missed it. Apparently anyone
other than collectors of ancient and/or Roman coins (I forget which he
said) is just an accumulator. Who knew?

That said, I've got some old Roman stuff, and (shrug) I don't see any
point in getting any more of 'em


An ignoramus like you probably wouldn't.

Ewan

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Old August 24th 06, 11:52 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Dr Ewan Jackson
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Dave Welsh wrote:
"Dr Ewan Jackson" wrote in message
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Dave Welsh wrote:

...
If you have gotten your collection to that point, you are to be
congratulated. It must be extremely impressive. One wonders whether you

have
included third century usurpers in your list of emperors, or only those

who
struck at Imperial mints.


... I confess I don't have Dryantilla, wife of Regalianus, but she's an
empress not an emperor.


Her antoniniani do come up at long intervals. Like those of Regelianus, they
are generally very poorly struck over earlier denarii.

Other than that I have all the third century usurpers as far as I know.
Name one and I'll tell you what coin I have of him.


Amandus?


Nope. You got me there.

Bonosus?


I have a billon antoninianus, with emperor holding spear on reverse.

Silbannacus?
Saturninus?



I have MOST usurpers but not these. Your point is well taken


Ewan

 




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