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Question about London postmarks
From: Marcel Lajus )
Subject: Question about London postmarks This is the only article in this thread View: Original Format Newsgroups: rec.collecting.stamps.discuss Date: 2005-01-04 13:25:57 PST Hello, I have a lot of old english stamps mainly from Victoria reign with numeral cancellations. With my handbook "Collect british postmarks" fifth edition I can identify most of the provincial marks and find the place on a map. But for London, different kinds of offices can be found : Inland section (with a figure in a diamond), District post (with a figure in a circle) and suburban offices. Some of them have the district initials (EC, CX, W, WC, SW...) with a number and others have the numbers inside a circle (like EC3). First of all, does anybody knows the difference between these sorts of offices? No explanation about them on my CBP. Is there a chance to find the area and the street where these postmarks were used? My main interest is to classify them geographically. It's a way for me to travel with my stamps. I'd like to find a book more comprehensive about these cancellations. Is there any that you could advise me? Thank you for your help A+ Marcel -- Invalid return address To answer please use m . lajus @ laposte . net (suppress the blanks) ================================================= Salut Marcel: Here is a list of the old London Postal Districts. I hope this helps answer your question. Blair ================================================= London Postal Districts East London E1 Aldgate, Stepney, Mile End, Whitechapel E2 Bethnal Green Shoreditch E3 Bow Bromley-by-Bow, Old Ford E4 Chingford Highams Park E5 Clapton E6 East Ham Beckton E7 Forest Gate Upton Park E8 Hackney Dalston E9 Homerton South Hackney E10 Leyton E11 Leytonstone Wanstead E12 Manor Park E13 Plaistow E14 Poplar Isle of Dogs, Millwall E15 Stratford West Ham E16 Victoria Docks Canning Town, North Woolwich E17 Walthamstow E18 Woodford only South Woodford is in E18 most of Woodford itself is in IG8 E98 includes The Times newspaper in Wapping East Central London - the City EC1 North West: Clerkenwell, Finsbury, Barbican EC2 North East: Moorgate, Liverpool Street EC3 South East: Monument, Aldgate, Fenchurch St, Tower Hill EC4 South West: Fleet Street, Temple, Blackfriars, St Paul's North London N1 Islington, Barnsbury, Canonbury N2 East Finchley eastern part of Hampstead Garden Suburb N3 Finchley Central Finchley Church End N4 Finsbury Park Manor House N5 Highbury N6 Highgate N7 Holloway Lower Holloway see also N19 N8 Hornsey Crouch End N9 Lower Edmonton N10 Muswell Hill N11 New Southgate Friern Barnet N12 North Finchley Woodside Park N13 Palmers Green N14 Southgate N15 South Tottenham Seven Sisters N16 Stoke Newington Stamford Hill N17 Tottenham N18 Upper Edmonton N19 Upper Holloway Archway, Tufnell Park N20 Whetstone Totteridge N21 Winchmore Hill N22 Wood Green Alexandra Palace North West London NW1 Camden Town, Regent's Park, north Marylebone NW2 Cricklewood Dollis Hill, Neasden NW3 Hampstead Belsize Park, Swiss Cottage NW4 Hendon Brent Cross NW5 Kentish Town NW6 Kilburn Queens Park, South & West Hampstead, Brondesbury Park NW7 Mill Hill NW8 St John's Wood NW9 West Hendon The Hyde, Kingsbury, Colindale NW10 Willesden Harlesden, Kensal Green NW11 Golders Green western part of Hampstead Garden Suburb South East London SE1 Waterloo, Bermondsey, South Bank, The Borough, north Lambeth SE2 Abbey Wood Thamesmead South SE3 Blackheath Kidbrooke, Westcombe Park SE4 Brockley Crofton Park, Honor Oak Park SE5 Camberwell SE6 Catford Bellingham, Hither Green SE7 Charlton SE8 Deptford SE9 Eltham Mottingham SE10 Greenwich SE11 Kennington Lambeth SE12 Lee Grove Park SE13 Lewisham Hither Green SE14 New Cross New Cross Gate SE15 Peckham Nunhead SE16 Rotherhithe South Bermonsey, Surrey Docks SE17 Walworth Elephant & Castle SE18 Woolwich Plumstead SE19 Upper Norwood Crystal Palace, Norwood New Town SE20 Anerley Penge SE21 Dulwich West Dulwich SE22 East Dulwich SE23 Forest Hill SE24 Herne Hill SE25 South Norwood SE26 Sydenham SE27 West Norwood Tulse Hill SE28 Thamesmead small parts of Thamesmead are in DA18 and SE2 South West London SW1 Westminster, Belgravia, Pimlico, Victoria SW2 Brixton central and southern Brixton, Streatham Hill SW3 Chelsea Brompton SW4 Clapham SW5 Earl's Court SW6 Fulham Parson's Green SW7 Knightsbridge South Kensington SW8 Nine Elms South Lambeth, Vauxhall SW9 Stockwell northern Brixton SW10 West Brompton World's End, (Brompton is covered by SW7, SW3 and SW1) SW11 Battersea Clapham Junction SW12 Balham SW13 Barnes Castelnau SW14 Mortlake East Sheen SW15 Putney Roehampton SW16 Streatham Norbury SW17 Tooting SW18 Wandsworth Earlsfield SW19 Wimbledon Merton, Collier's Wood SW20 West Wimbledon Raynes Park, Cottenham Park, South Wimbledon West London W1 the West End: Mayfair, Soho, south Marylebone W2 Paddington, Bayswater, Hyde Park W3 Acton W4 Chiswick W5 Ealing W6 Hammersmith W7 Hanwell W8 Kensington central Kensington W9 Maida Vale Warwick Avenue, Maida Hill W10 North Kensington Ladbroke Grove W11 Notting Hill Holland Park W12 Shepherd's Bush W13 West Ealing W14 West Kensington West Central London WC1 Bloomsbury, Gray's Inn WC2 Holborn, Strand, Covent Garden ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
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"TC Blair" a écrit dans le message de
om... Salut Marcel: Here is a list of the old London Postal Districts. I hope this helps answer your question. Blair Thank you very much Blair. Great! So I must conclude that the numbers I've got that are not in your list, are from the suburban offices. For example, I've got more than 4 numbers for East Central London. According to my stock, it goes to at least 78. A+ Marcel |
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So I must conclude that the numbers I've got that are not in your
list, are from the suburban offices. Blair's list includes all the surburban offices. At a quick glance, and as one who lives in one of the outermost London suburban postal areas, I think it goes to the present day. For example, I've got more than 4 numbers for East Central London. According to my stock, it goes to at least 78. According to http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/L...ldistricts.htm the number suffixes did not come in until 1917, so they must mean something else on your Victorian postmarks, but I can't tell you what. A Google on "london postmarks" comes up with a number of sites, some with book recommendations, including "The Postal Cancellations of London 1840-1890 by HC Westley" which sounds like what you need, but I've never seen a copy. Chris |
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On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:30:27 +0100, "Marcel Lajus"
wrote: "TC Blair" a écrit dans le message de . com... Salut Marcel: Here is a list of the old London Postal Districts. I hope this helps answer your question. Blair Thank you very much Blair. Great! So I must conclude that the numbers I've got that are not in your list, are from the suburban offices. For example, I've got more than 4 numbers for East Central London. According to my stock, it goes to at least 78. A+ Marcel ================================================== ====== Marcel: I agree that they were probably sub post offices. The list should give you a basic start, though. Blair |
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Note that the area numbers W8 etc refer to the postal addresses - an
early delivery code or ZIP code system. It does not necessarily only refer to post offices, although obviously all post offices are located within these areas.Every premises postal address includes this code ( now including a supplement in the new nationwide postcode system. For instance Baden-Powell House, The Scout HQ in London is SW7 5JS). There may be several different post offices and/or sub offices within each postal area including railway station post offices and the Stock Exchange etc. I do not know whether these smaller offices had their own postmarks, but certainly in the remainder of the UK almost all post offices however small at one time franked their own mail. Certainly the Stock Exchange had its own franking device( see literature connected to the 1 shilling green Stock Exchange forgery). These days most mail is franked with some generic postmark, for example SWDO ( South West District Office) as part of the increasingly centralised mail sorting methods. Regards Malcolm |
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Thank you Blair and Jay for all this information.
I'm going now to look for the books you advised me and try to understand how it is going. A+ Marcel -- Invalid return address To private answer please use m . lajus @ laposte . net (suppress the blanks) |
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A postmark is a postal marking made on a letter, package, postcard or the like indicating the date and time that the item was delivered into the care of the postal service. Modern postmarks are often applied simultaneously with the cancellation or killer that marks the postage stamp(s) as having been used (though in some circumstances there may be a postmark without a killer, and sometimes the postmark and killer form a continuous design), and the two terms are often used interchangeably, if incorrectly. Postmarks may be applied by hand or by machines, using methods such as rollers or inkjets, while digital postmarks are a recent innovation. The local post Hawai'i Post had a rubber-stamp postmark parts of which were hand-painted.[1] At Hideaway Island, Vanuatu, the Underwater Post Office has an embossed postmark.[2]
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