Are we falling down on the job of collecting?

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On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

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If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any
possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what you
may. And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money has
to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your
pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their monies
back in full).
____________

When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put in
was trumped at the time by some private companies where employees
didn't have to contribute at all to their retirement or health care. It
still was meant as an incentive to encourage federal employees to stay
on, unlike today where few people will ever stay their career with the
same employer.

All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the GM
employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated price GM
charges us taxpayers for its cars.

Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. Here we've
done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the cost is
passed directly to the buyer. Many foreign governments subsidize the
manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by providing universal
pensions and health care paid for by all their taxpayers. As the old
motor oil commercial once put it, "You pays me now, or you pays me
later." Neither method is inherently good or evil, it's a question of
which works best in a given economy and culture. The only way to not
pay sooner or later is to eliminate the pensions and health care. Is
that what we really want?

A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at the
end of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily a
suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will have
a new one to ponder over. Billy

Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging their
tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! Gold is down? It's a
conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New Orleans? It's a conspiracy,
dammit! The sun rose in the east again? It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!



You need an extra layer on your tin foil hat. :-) Billy

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On Feb 8, 6:43 am, "note.boy" wrote:

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A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one
at the end
of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not
necessarily a
suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people
will have a new one to ponder over. Billy- Hide quoted text -

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The conspiracy people are already doing so, over various bird and
swine flu. Vietnam, China, some parts of Africa have had some
virulent, but isolated, outbreaks already.

It's about time that all you sheeple broke that code. There's a
building in the southeast corner of Ft. Detrick, MD where they've
cooked up every outbreak of polio, bird and swine flu, SARS, and
AIDS, not to mention virulent new forms of psoriasis and teenage
acne.

Thankfully, I am immune to teenage acne.

They used to run their ebola virus operation out of a building on
Einstein Square in Reston, VA, but the monkeys escaped and they had
to raze the building, which was right across the street from a
heavily frequented Mcdonald's. There's a completely new building
on the site now, occupied by a tech company.

You may THINK it's an innocent tech company. There's no such thing
in NoVA.

There's a 3-mile stretch of road near my former office that in
addition to the ebola site has seven buildings surrounded by boulders
or concrete-filled steel barrier pipes to block car bombs, most are
surrounded with razor-wire fencing, and all have armed guards at the
controlled entrances, many of which have steel spike or plate barriers
guarding the entry and exit lanes. Of course, there are no names showing
anywhere.

That's in addition to the endless warrens of office buildings with cryptic
company names like "Omega Corporation" or "Global Strategic Services". As
far as you can tell, they're legitimate high-tech companies but it would
be a great way to hide a clandestine operation right out in plain view.

Ya think?

On Feb 8, 11:10*am, "note.boy" wrote:
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On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

snips

If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any
possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what you
may. *And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money has
to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your
pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their monies
back in full).
____________

When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put in
was trumped at the time by some private companies where employees
didn't have to contribute at all to their retirement or health care. It
still was meant as an incentive to encourage federal employees to stay
on, unlike today where few people will ever stay their career with the
same employer.

All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the GM
employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated price GM
charges us taxpayers for its cars.

Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. *Here we've
done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the cost is
passed directly to the buyer. *Many foreign governments subsidize the
manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by providing universal
pensions and health care paid for by all their taxpayers. As the old
motor oil commercial once put it, "You pays me now, or you pays me
later." Neither method is inherently good or evil, it's a question of
which works best in a given economy and culture. *The only way to not
pay sooner or later is to eliminate the pensions and health care. *Is
that what we really want?

A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at the
end of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily a
suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will have
a new one to ponder over. *Billy

Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging their
tongues. *Gold id up? *It's a conspiracy, sheeple! *Gold is down? *It's a
conspiracy, sheeple! *A hurricane hit New Orleans? *It's a conspiracy,
dammit! *The sun rose in the east again? *It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!

You need an extra layer on your tin foil hat. *:-) *Billy- Hide quoted text -

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Always remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that
they're not out to get you!

oly

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On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

snips

If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any
possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what
you
may. And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the
money has
to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in
your
pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their
monies
back in full).
____________

When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I
put in was trumped at the time by some private companies where
employees didn't have to contribute at all to their retirement
or health care. It still was meant as an incentive to encourage
federal employees to stay on, unlike today where few people will
ever stay their career with the same employer.

All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like
the GM employees' generous retirement which comes from the
inflated price GM charges us taxpayers for its cars.

Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere.
Here we've done it by collective bargaining for those benefits,
so the cost is passed directly to the buyer. Many foreign
governments subsidize the manufacturing cost of their cars and
other goods by providing universal pensions and health care paid
for by all their taxpayers. As the old motor oil commercial once
put it, "You pays me now, or you pays me later." Neither method
is inherently good or evil, it's a question of which works best
in a given economy and culture. The only way to not pay sooner
or later is to eliminate the pensions and health care. Is that
what we really want?

A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one
at the end of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not
necessarily a suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the
conspiracy people will have a new one to ponder over. Billy

Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging
their tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! Gold is
down? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New Orleans?
It's a conspiracy, dammit! The sun rose in the east again? It's a
conspiracy, I tell ya!

You need an extra layer on your tin foil hat. :-) Billy

Heh, heh - from your side of the pond:

http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php

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On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

snips

If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any
possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what you
may. And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money has
to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your
pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their monies
back in full).
____________

When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put in
was trumped at the time by some private companies where employees
didn't have to contribute at all to their retirement or health care.
It still was meant as an incentive to encourage federal employees to
stay on, unlike today where few people will ever stay their career
with the same employer.

All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the GM
employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated price GM
charges us taxpayers for its cars.

Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. Here
we've done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the cost
is passed directly to the buyer. Many foreign governments subsidize
the manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by providing
universal pensions and health care paid for by all their taxpayers. As
the old motor oil commercial once put it, "You pays me now, or you
pays me later." Neither method is inherently good or evil, it's a
question of which works best in a given economy and culture. The only
way to not pay sooner or later is to eliminate the pensions and health
care. Is that what we really want?

A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at
the end of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not
necessarily a suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy
people will have a new one to ponder over. Billy

Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging their
tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! Gold is down? It's
a conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New Orleans? It's a conspiracy,
dammit! The sun rose in the east again? It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!

You need an extra layer on your tin foil hat. :-) Billy

Heh, heh - from your side of the pond:

http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php




I am greatly concerned that you can supply a link like that, better make it
two extra layers. Billy

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Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start
wagging their tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple!
Gold is down? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New
Orleans? It's a conspiracy, dammit! The sun rose in the east
again? It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!

You need an extra layer on your tin foil hat. :-) Billy

Heh, heh - from your side of the pond:

http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php

I am greatly concerned that you can supply a link like that, better
make it two extra layers. Billy

I was googling for a parody page put up years ago by Harvard students
that discussed the tin foil hat in mock academic terms. We frequently
used that link on a newsgroup that attracted more than its fair share
of conspirowacko types. Couldn't find it but this popped up.