Are we falling down on the job of collecting?

"mazorj" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

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If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any
possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what you
may. And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money has
to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your
pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their monies
back in full).
____________

When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put in was
trumped at the time by some private companies where employees didn't have
to contribute at all to their retirement or health care. It still was
meant as an incentive to encourage federal employees to stay on, unlike
today where few people will ever stay their career with the same
employer.

All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the GM
employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated price GM
charges us taxpayers for its cars.

Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. Here we've
done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the cost is passed
directly to the buyer. Many foreign governments subsidize the
manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by providing universal
pensions and health care paid for by all their taxpayers. As the old motor
oil commercial once put it, "You pays me now, or you pays me later."
Neither method is inherently good or evil, it's a question of which works
best in a given economy and culture. The only way to not pay sooner or
later is to eliminate the pensions and health care. Is that what we
really want?




A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at the end
of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily a
suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will have a
new one to ponder over. Billy

On Feb 8, 6:43*am, "note.boy" wrote:
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On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

snips

If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any
possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what you
may. *And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money has
to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your
pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their monies
back in full).
____________

When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put in was
trumped at the time by some private companies where employees didn't have
to contribute at all to their retirement or health care. It still was
meant as an incentive to encourage federal employees to stay on, unlike
today where few people will ever stay their career with the same
employer.

All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the GM
employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated price GM
charges us taxpayers for its cars.

Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. *Here we've
done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the cost is passed
directly to the buyer. *Many foreign governments subsidize the
manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by providing universal
pensions and health care paid for by all their taxpayers. As the old motor
oil commercial once put it, "You pays me now, or you pays me later."
Neither method is inherently good or evil, it's a question of which works
best in a given economy and culture. *The only way to not pay sooner or
later is to eliminate the pensions and health care. *Is that what we
really want?

A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at the end
of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily a
suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will have a
new one to ponder over. *Billy- Hide quoted text -

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The conspiracy people are already doing so, over various bird and
swine flu. Vietnam, China, some parts of Africa have had some
virulent, but isolated, outbreaks already.

oly

oly

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"oly" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

snips

If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any
possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what
you
may. And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money
has
to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your
pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their
monies
back in full).
____________

When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put
in was trumped at the time by some private companies where
employees didn't have to contribute at all to their retirement or
health care. It still was meant as an incentive to encourage
federal employees to stay on, unlike today where few people will
ever stay their career with the same employer.

All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the
GM employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated
price GM charges us taxpayers for its cars.

Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. Here
we've done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the
cost is passed directly to the buyer. Many foreign governments
subsidize the manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by
providing universal pensions and health care paid for by all their
taxpayers. As the old motor oil commercial once put it, "You pays
me now, or you pays me later." Neither method is inherently good or
evil, it's a question of which works best in a given economy and
culture. The only way to not pay sooner or later is to eliminate
the pensions and health care. Is that what we really want?

A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at
the end of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not
necessarily a suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the
conspiracy people will have a new one to ponder over. Billy

Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging
their tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! Gold is
down? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New Orleans? It's
a conspiracy, dammit! The sun rose in the east again? It's a
conspiracy, I tell ya!

"oly" wrote in message
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On Feb 8, 6:43 am, "note.boy" wrote:

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A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at
the end
of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily
a
suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will
have a
new one to ponder over. Billy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The conspiracy people are already doing so, over various bird and
swine flu. Vietnam, China, some parts of Africa have had some
virulent, but isolated, outbreaks already.

It's about time that all you sheeple broke that code. There's a
building in the southeast corner of Ft. Detrick, MD where they've
cooked up every outbreak of polio, bird and swine flu, SARS, and AIDS,
not to mention virulent new forms of psoriasis and teenage acne.

They used to run their ebola virus operation out of a building on
Einstein Square in Reston, VA, but the monkeys escaped and they had to
raze the building, which was right across the street from a heavily
frequented Mcdonald's. There's a completely new building on the site
now, occupied by a tech company.

"mazorj" wrote in message
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Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging
their tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! Gold is
down? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New Orleans? It's
a conspiracy, dammit! The sun rose in the east again? It's a
conspiracy, I tell ya!

TRIM YOUR HEADERS PEOPLE - it's getting out of control!
BTW mazorj - PLONK

"RWF" wrote in message
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"mazorj" wrote in message
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Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging
their tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! Gold is
down? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New Orleans?
It's a conspiracy, dammit! The sun rose in the east again? It's a
conspiracy, I tell ya!

TRIM YOUR HEADERS PEOPLE - it's getting out of control!
BTW mazorj - PLONK

Oh, the irony!

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"oly" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

snips

If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any
possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what you
may. And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money has
to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your
pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their monies
back in full).
____________

When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put in was
trumped at the time by some private companies where employees didn't have
to contribute at all to their retirement or health care. It still was
meant as an incentive to encourage federal employees to stay on, unlike
today where few people will ever stay their career with the same
employer.

All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the GM
employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated price GM
charges us taxpayers for its cars.

Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. Here we've
done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the cost is passed
directly to the buyer. Many foreign governments subsidize the
manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by providing universal
pensions and health care paid for by all their taxpayers. As the old motor
oil commercial once put it, "You pays me now, or you pays me later."
Neither method is inherently good or evil, it's a question of which works
best in a given economy and culture. The only way to not pay sooner or
later is to eliminate the pensions and health care. Is that what we
really want?

Not at all. My point was that any cash benefits a govt or private worker
receives will come from other taxpayers one way or another, either from the
taxes they pay or factored into the price of the product the worker
produces. Sadly, many of these benefits which once were considered to be
automatic, are disappearing and the burden is being placed on the shoulders
of the worker to find his own health insurance and to provide for his own
retirement.

"mazorj" wrote in message
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"oly" wrote in message
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On Feb 8, 6:43 am, "note.boy" wrote:

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A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at the
end
of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily a
suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will have
a
new one to ponder over. Billy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The conspiracy people are already doing so, over various bird and
swine flu. Vietnam, China, some parts of Africa have had some
virulent, but isolated, outbreaks already.

It's about time that all you sheeple broke that code. There's a building
in the southeast corner of Ft. Detrick, MD where they've cooked up every
outbreak of polio, bird and swine flu, SARS, and AIDS, not to mention
virulent new forms of psoriasis and teenage acne.

Thankfully, I am immune to teenage acne.


They used to run their ebola virus operation out of a building on Einstein
Square in Reston, VA, but the monkeys escaped and they had to raze the
building, which was right across the street from a heavily frequented
Mcdonald's. There's a completely new building on the site now, occupied
by a tech company.

You may THINK it's an innocent tech company. There's no such thing in NoVA.

"Bruce Remick" wrote in message
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"mazorj" wrote in message
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"oly" wrote in message
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On Feb 8, 6:43 am, "note.boy" wrote:

...
A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one
at the end
of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not
necessarily a
suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people
will have a new one to ponder over. Billy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The conspiracy people are already doing so, over various bird and
swine flu. Vietnam, China, some parts of Africa have had some
virulent, but isolated, outbreaks already.

It's about time that all you sheeple broke that code. There's a
building in the southeast corner of Ft. Detrick, MD where they've
cooked up every outbreak of polio, bird and swine flu, SARS, and
AIDS, not to mention virulent new forms of psoriasis and teenage
acne.

Thankfully, I am immune to teenage acne.

They used to run their ebola virus operation out of a building on
Einstein Square in Reston, VA, but the monkeys escaped and they had
to raze the building, which was right across the street from a
heavily frequented Mcdonald's. There's a completely new building
on the site now, occupied by a tech company.

You may THINK it's an innocent tech company. There's no such thing
in NoVA.

There's a 3-mile stretch of road near my former office that in
addition to the ebola site has seven buildings surrounded by boulders
or concrete-filled steel barrier pipes to block car bombs, most are
surrounded with razor-wire fencing, and all have armed guards at the
controlled entrances, many of which have steel spike or plate barriers
guarding the entry and exit lanes. Of course, there are no names
showing anywhere.

That's in addition to the endless warrens of office buildings with
cryptic company names like "Omega Corporation" or "Global Strategic
Services". As far as you can tell, they're legitimate high-tech
companies but it would be a great way to hide a clandestine operation
right out in plain view.

"Bruce Remick" wrote in message
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"mazorj" wrote in message
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"Bruce Remick" wrote in message
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"oly" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

snips

If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any
possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what
you
may. And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money
has
to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your
pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their
monies
back in full).
____________

When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put
in was trumped at the time by some private companies where
employees didn't have to contribute at all to their retirement or
health care. It still was meant as an incentive to encourage
federal employees to stay on, unlike today where few people will
ever stay their career with the same employer.

All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the
GM employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated
price GM charges us taxpayers for its cars.

Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. Here
we've done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the
cost is passed directly to the buyer. Many foreign governments
subsidize the manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by
providing universal pensions and health care paid for by all their
taxpayers. As the old motor oil commercial once put it, "You pays
me now, or you pays me later." Neither method is inherently good or
evil, it's a question of which works best in a given economy and
culture. The only way to not pay sooner or later is to eliminate
the pensions and health care. Is that what we really want?

Not at all. My point was that any cash benefits a govt or private
worker receives will come from other taxpayers one way or another,
either from the taxes they pay or factored into the price of the
product the worker produces. Sadly, many of these benefits which
once were considered to be automatic, are disappearing and the
burden is being placed on the shoulders of the worker to find his
own health insurance and to provide for his own retirement.

Amen.