Smoothness of black inks, compared to other colors. Why?!

Chuck Swisher wrote:
Did you select the colors from the drop down menu? If yes, the color
swatches should change. If this doesn't work you may need to refresh your
browser as the color swatches seem to be showing up fine now on my computer.

http://www.nexternal.com/swisher/Product1251

Yes, I was selecting the colors from the drop down menu. It didn't
work a couple of days ago, but today, I'm glad to say, it is working
and all colors are visible. Whatever string you pulled behind the
scenes did the trick! Thanks, Chuck.

And thanks for the heads-up on Seminole Sepia. Are Sepia and Grizzly
basically water-resistant/waterproof versions of Walnut? Or are they
lighter or darker?

--
Viseguy

"phk" wrote:

Thanks, how does "Seminole Sepia" compared with Grizzly?

Grizzly is actually darker than Seminole Sepia. Grizzly would be rated as
extremely "bulletproof", right up there with Noodler's black. I have heard
that a sample of Grizzly was left in the "weather" for over a month without
much change in the original color. Seminole Sepia is extremely waterproof,
but will fade some if soaked water, bleach, ammonia and other cleaning
solvents, where Grizzly isn't affected. Seminole Sepia required a new
Noodler's waterproof ink be developed for this particular "Swishmix" color.
Most of the other Swishmix colors are a combination of an existing Noodler's
waterproof color with one of our Swisher Pens "fast drying" inks (these are
also made by Noodler's).

is Grizzly a
little bit more yellow?

Actually, it is the other way around. There is a bit of yellow in the
Seminole Sepia, but none seen in the Grizzly. Grizzly remains "brown" if
you do a separation test on a paper towel.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes,

Chuck Swisher -

Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com

Tele: (757) 539-2209, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787

And thanks for the heads-up on Seminole Sepia. Are Sepia and Grizzly
basically water-resistant/waterproof versions of Walnut?

No, they are both completely unique colors to Walnut.

Or are they
lighter or darker?\

Grizzly is the darkest, followed by Walnut and then Seminole Sepia.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes,

Chuck

Chuck,

In article ckHwf.131541$WH.16525@dukeread01, "Chuck Swisher"
wrote:

Grizzly is actually darker than Seminole Sepia. Grizzly would be rated as
extremely "bulletproof", right up there with Noodler's black. I have heard
[snip]much change in the original color. Seminole Sepia is extremely waterproof,
but will fade some [snip]

is Grizzly a
little bit more yellow?

Actually, it is the other way around. [snip]

thanksf or the technical information. i'll get Grizzly later when i get
time to call. cause i'd rather hear the voice of one of your friendly staff
than web order. :-)

regards,

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Chuck Swisher wrote:
Grizzly is the darkest, followed by Walnut and then Seminole Sepia.

Thanks for this information, Chuck. Grizzly sounds intriguing....

--
Viseguy

Originally Posted by Chuck Swisher

And thanks for the heads-up on Seminole Sepia. Are Sepia and Grizzly
basically water-resistant/waterproof versions of Walnut?

No, they are both completely unique colors to Walnut.

Or are they
lighter or darker?\

Grizzly is the darkest, followed by Walnut and then Seminole Sepia.

Chuck

What about drying time, feathering and bleeding? How are this three in comparison?

Yuri wrote:

What about drying time, feathering and bleeding? How are this three in
comparison?

It depends a lot on the pen on how the ink flows and the type of paper used
as to how long it takes to dry (I have not noticed any feathering on any
type of paper that I would call fountain pen friendly paper (I have not
tested either on moleskine paper). I've got a couple of older Pelikans from
the 50's currently filled with Grizzly and Seminole Sepia that I've been
using for the past few days. One of these pens has an OBB and the other an
OB nib. Sorry but I don't have a bottle of the Walnut available here at the
house so I can really compare flow and drying time with these other two. Of
these two inks I have loaded, the Grizzly has the slower drying time of the
two. I use mostly Beckett's Cambric Writing Paper for my general writing,
so this is what I used to test the drying time of these two inks. It took
the Grizzly about 8 to 10 seconds and the Seminole Sepia approximately 4 to
5 seconds to dry completely on the Cambric paper. As I had a lot to do with
the development of the Noodler's "Swishmix" inks, I am a bit biased when it
comes to these particular inks. I found the Swisher Pens inks and the
Noodler's Eternal inks both flow good, but the Swisher Pens inks tend to
feather somewhat on lower grades of paper and the Noodler's waterproof inks
took a little longer to dry on pure cotton and linen papers. I found that
by mixing the two formulas in a certain percentage, it resulted in an ink
that flowed well, dried quite fast on most types of paper and still retained
up to 75% of it's waterproof qualities. About the only other thing I can
add is that all of these inks are made with water, dye, surfactants and a
biocide to prevent mold. Some have a higher dye concentrate and tend to
take a little longer to dry, but I haven't noticed any problems with ink
flow or feathering from these two inks. I hope this helps.

Best wishes,

Chuck Swisher -

Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com

Tele: (757) 539-2209, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787

I just tried these inks on a couple of Ampad Gold Fibre tablets and found
that even though both are labeled "Gold Fibre", the drying time of these two
inks was a few seconds different between the two tablets. One tablet has a
blue cover on it and is labeled Gold Fibre Writing Pad (quickest drying
time) and the other is labeled just plain Gold Fibre (Item # 20-026 White).
The drying time of this ink on the Writing Pad was between 2 and 4 seconds
(2 seconds for the Seminole Sepia) and 4 to 6 seconds the plain paper. I'm
not sure if there are different grades of Ampad Gold Fibre paper, just
wanted you to know that these two papers had a different drying time even
though they are both called "Gold Fibre" paper. Hope this helps.

Chuck Swisher -

Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com

Tele: (757) 539-2209, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787

On 2006-01-06 11:09:20 -0500, (BigBen) said:

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:30:31 GMT, R. Paul Martin
wrote:

Swisher Pens has Noodler's Grizzly, which is a waterproof ink, and
Swisher's Cocoa. Pendemonium has Eternal Brown, which is also
waterproof. And then there's Noodler's Standard Brown, which is not
waterproof. Pelikan has Brilliant Brown, which I've never tried.

Hi Paul,

I live on the other side of the "pond" ... Portugal, to be precise.

I'm waiting for some Sheaffer and Pelikan browns, and P.Reserve Copper
Burst, which I ordered from The Writing Desk.

I'm not very confident about waterproor inks, or higly saturated ones
- I like the idea that I can wash the pen, and clear any clogs, just
using water.

Best,
JBR

I use waterproof Noodler's all the time. They are only waterproof when
they interact with paper. They wash out of the pen just fine.

Michael

R. Paul Martin wrote:

Really? I've got Grizzly and Walnut and the Walnut appears darker to
me. Definitely darker on white Clairfontaine Thiomphe paper.

Okay, let me rephrase this. Grizzly is the most "durable", followed by
Seminole Sepia and Walnut. According to Mr. Tardif, the darkness if these
inks can be affected by the type of paper and the wetness of the nib. I
didn't have a bottle of the Walnut here at the house to compare it two the
others, so I was basing my findings on an old color swatch I had done when
we first added Noodler's to our web site. Thanks for the correction!

Best wishes,

Chuck Swisher -

Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com

Tele: (757) 539-2209, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787