Russia - Michel vs Scott

Le 28 Dec 2003 08:02:00 -0800, dans rec.collecting.stamps.discuss,
(Dakota) a écrit :

According to Yvert 2003 issue :

Yes, My 1996 Y&T says the same - but I was asking about Michel
(1987/88). I have a Russian Turkalenko catalog - but I do not read
Cyrillic.

You did not say that you have look at Yvert too.

I believed that informations from an other catalog could help you.

If you don't want answers, don't ask questions.

--
DC

Try the following concordance:

CCCP Michel Scott
10K 2031 1945 1936
20K 2032 1980 1937
25K 2033 1946 1938
40K 2034 1947 1939
40K 2035 1948 1913
60K 2036 1922 1914
1R 2037 1949 1940

All stamps have "VI" in the upper left corner (6th World Youth Festival).

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Golly, I've bumped into a real conumdrum - hope somebody here can help
me.

I'm a Scott person in the U.S. trying to buy some Russian issues from
a Michel person in Australia. Up here, Down there - different catalogs
- Aw Criminy!

Anyway, I have a set of Russian issues from May 27th, 1957. They a
1936 - 10k
1937 - 20k
1938 - 25k
1939 - 40k
1940 - 1r

That same issue according to my Michel is:
1945 - 10k
1946 - 25k
1947 - 40k
1948 - 40k
1949 - 1R

Michel indicates no 20k and indicates two 40k.

Scott says that 1936, 1937 and 1940 exist imperf.

Michel seems to indicate that there are A & B varieties of all the 5
issues, but not exactly that any are imperf. I understand that Michel
is much more thorough than Scott - but this just doesn't make any
sense to me.

Can anybody help dig me out of this hole? I've found most of these
problems are simply because I don't quite understand or didn't read it
right - but I've looked at this long and hard and don't think it's me
- - but maybe!

Handshakes,


Dakota

On 27 Dec 2003 16:02:19 -0800, (Dakota) wrote:

Golly, I've bumped into a real conumdrum - hope somebody here can help
me.

I'm a Scott person in the U.S. trying to buy some Russian issues from
a Michel person in Australia. Up here, Down there - different catalogs
- Aw Criminy!

Anyway, I have a set of Russian issues from May 27th, 1957. They a
1936 - 10k
1937 - 20k
1938 - 25k
1939 - 40k
1940 - 1r

That same issue according to my Michel is:
1945 - 10k
1946 - 25k
1947 - 40k
1948 - 40k
1949 - 1R

Michel indicates no 20k and indicates two 40k.

Scott says that 1936, 1937 and 1940 exist imperf.

Michel seems to indicate that there are A & B varieties of all the 5
issues, but not exactly that any are imperf. I understand that Michel
is much more thorough than Scott - but this just doesn't make any
sense to me.

Can anybody help dig me out of this hole? I've found most of these
problems are simply because I don't quite understand or didn't read it
right - but I've looked at this long and hard and don't think it's me
- - but maybe!

Handshakes,


Dakota

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Dakota:

In Michel,

Type A are the PERFS.
Type B are the IMPERFS.

Blair



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On 27 Dec 2003 16:02:19 -0800, (Dakota) wrote:

Golly, I've bumped into a real conumdrum - hope somebody here can help
me.

I'm a Scott person in the U.S. trying to buy some Russian issues from
a Michel person in Australia. Up here, Down there - different catalogs
- Aw Criminy!

Anyway, I have a set of Russian issues from May 27th, 1957. They a
1936 - 10k
1937 - 20k
1938 - 25k
1939 - 40k
1940 - 1r

That same issue according to my Michel is:
1945 - 10k
1946 - 25k
1947 - 40k
1948 - 40k
1949 - 1R

Michel indicates no 20k and indicates two 40k.

Scott says that 1936, 1937 and 1940 exist imperf.

Michel seems to indicate that there are A & B varieties of all the 5
issues, but not exactly that any are imperf. I understand that Michel
is much more thorough than Scott - but this just doesn't make any
sense to me.

Can anybody help dig me out of this hole? I've found most of these
problems are simply because I don't quite understand or didn't read it
right - but I've looked at this long and hard and don't think it's me
- - but maybe!

Handshakes,


Dakota

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My old SG agrees with Scott denominations.
Their #s were SG 1821-25 and they say the
stamps exist perf and imperf.


Blair


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TC wrote in message
...

- big snip -

My old SG agrees with Scott denominations.
Their #s were SG 1821-25 and they say the
stamps exist perf and imperf.

Blair, which issue of SG do you use? I just checked with mine
(2001 ed.), and here the #s a 2084 (10k), 2084c (20k),
2085 (25k), 2086 (40k), and 2087 (1r).

Further SG says Perf and Imperf, but does not specify which
ones are imperf. This is clearly indicated in Michel, see my
previous post.

Mette

"Didier Cuidet" wrote in message
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Le 28 Dec 2003 08:02:00 -0800, dans rec.collecting.stamps.discuss,
(Dakota) a écrit :

According to Yvert 2003 issue :

Yes, My 1996 Y&T says the same - but I was asking about Michel
(1987/88). I have a Russian Turkalenko catalog - but I do not read
Cyrillic.

You did not say that you have look at Yvert too.

I believed that informations from an other catalog could help you.

If you don't want answers, don't ask questions.

--
DC

It's nice to provide supplementary information, but, because the subject
line doesn't mention Yvert, there are no reasons to take offence.

Even more, if you don't want answers, don't post answers. g

Victor Manta

CCCP Michel Scott Gibbons
10K 2031 1945A 1936 2084A perf 12 x 12 1/2
10K 2031 1945B 1936 2084B imperf
20K 2032 1980A 1937 2084aA perf 12 x 12 1/2
20K 2032 1980B 1937 2084aB imperf
20K 2032 1980C 1937 2084bA perf 12 1/2 x 12 1/2
25K 2033 1946A 1938 2085A perf 12 x 12 1/2
40K 2034 1947A 1939 2086A perf 12 x 12 1/2
40K 2035 1948A 1913 2055A perf 12 x 12 1/2
40K 2035 1948B 1913 2055B imperf
40K 2035 1948 1913 2055aA perf 12 1/2 x 12 1/2
60K 2036 1922A 1914 2056A perf 12 x 12 1/2
60K 2036 1922B 1914 2056B imperf
1R 2037 1949A 1940 2087A perf 12 x 12 1/2
1R 2037 1949B 1940 2087B imperf
1R 2037 1949 1940 2087aA perf 12 1/2 x 12 1/2

All stamps have "VI" in the upper left corner (6th World Youth
Festival).

Jay T. Carrigan wrote :
Try the following concordance:

CCCP Michel Scott
10K 2031 1945 1936
20K 2032 1980 1937
25K 2033 1946 1938
40K 2034 1947 1939
40K 2035 1948 1913
60K 2036 1922 1914
1R 2037 1949 1940

All stamps have "VI" in the upper left corner (6th World Youth
Festival).



Dakota :

I don't know if this may help you, but here is the table from Jay with
where I added the Yvert #s (1996 or 2003 issues) :

CCCP Michel Scott Yvert
10K 2031 1945 1936 1929
20K 2032 1980 1937 1930
25K 2033 1946 1938 1931
40K 2034 1947 1939 1932
40K 2035 1948 1913 1897A
60K 2036 1922 1914 1898
1R 2037 1949 1940 1933

As for the imperfs, Yvert mentions imperfs for all those 7 stamps,
except for Yvert # 1931 and 1932.

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All the best,
Pierre Courtiade

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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:25:08 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

TC wrote in message
.. .

- big snip -

My old SG agrees with Scott denominations.
Their #s were SG 1821-25 and they say the
stamps exist perf and imperf.

Blair, which issue of SG do you use? I just checked with mine
(2001 ed.), and here the #s a 2084 (10k), 2084c (20k),
2085 (25k), 2086 (40k), and 2087 (1r).

Further SG says Perf and Imperf, but does not specify which
ones are imperf. This is clearly indicated in Michel, see my
previous post.

Mette


My SG is an old SIMPLIFIED (world-wide).
Yours is more recent.

Blair




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Didier Cuidet wrote in message . ..
Le 28 Dec 2003 08:02:00 -0800, dans rec.collecting.stamps.discuss,
(Dakota) a écrit :

According to Yvert 2003 issue :

Yes, My 1996 Y&T says the same - but I was asking about Michel
(1987/88). I have a Russian Turkalenko catalog - but I do not read
Cyrillic.

You did not say that you have look at Yvert too.

I believed that informations from an other catalog could help you.

If you don't want answers, don't ask questions.

Je suis désolé. Je n'ai pas voulu dire pour vous offenser.

J'apprécie votre assitance, mais votre réponse n'a pas répondu à ma
question au sujet de Scott et de Michel.

I also apologize for my wretched French. :-)

Handshakes none-the-less,

Dakota