DIE I -DIE II

Can somebody explain me what is DIE.
for instance STANLEY GIBBONS in ireland :N°12 , 2d ORANGE DIE I
and n°13 ,2d ORANGE DIE II and then N° 33 DIE I N° 34 DIE II
again N° 55 , N° 70 DIE II .
YVERT said nothing about .Is it the watermark ? or something
else ?
in HARRAP'S DIE =matrice ou poinçon
in yvert GB N° 142 wmk E N° 162 wmk H
THANK YOU
yves claude

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dear Yves Claude,

as you mentioned yourself, like the French words
matrice or poin‡on it related to small differences
in the drawing or design, the engraving - either
in typography or intaglio - shows changes of detail.
Call it 2 different types ...

gtx, Rein

On 17 Nov 2003 17:18:02 , Aepaep00 [D*] wrote:
Can somebody explain me what is DIE.
for instance STANLEY GIBBONS in ireland :N°12 , 2d ORANGE DIE I
and n°13 ,2d ORANGE DIE II and then N° 33 DIE I N° 34 DIE II
again N° 55 , N° 70 DIE II .
YVERT said nothing about .Is it the watermark ? or something
else ?
in HARRAP'S DIE =matrice ou poinçon
in yvert GB N° 142 wmk E N° 162 wmk H
THANK YOU
yves claude

The difference is in the basic stamp.

Die I - 4 lines above the head
Die II - 3 lines above the head


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Can somebody explain me what is DIE.
for instance STANLEY GIBBONS in ireland :N°12 , 2d ORANGE DIE I
and n°13 ,2d ORANGE DIE II and then N° 33 DIE I N° 34 DIE II
again N° 55 , N° 70 DIE II .
YVERT said nothing about .Is it the watermark ? or something
else ?
in HARRAP'S DIE =matrice ou poinçon
in yvert GB N° 142 wmk E N° 162 wmk H
THANK YOU
yves claude

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G'day Yves Claude,
(Good luck on Thursday for the Rugby play-off with NZ)

Around this time the British 2d base stamp was being modified, from the original Die I of 1912 (Scott 162) to Die II
(Scott 162a); sheets of each die were included among the stamps received by Thom for overprinting. Thus, the 2d value of
the 17 February Thom overprints reveals two distinct varieties of design. Die I (T16, Scott 16b) shows 1) four
horizontal lines in the background of the medallion between the top of the portrait head and the top of the oval; 2)
relatively heavy colored lines above and below the white tablet surrounding "TWO PENCE"; 3) inner frame lines about
equidistant from the outer frame lines and the solid color of the background. Die II (T17, Scott 16) shows 1) three
horizontal lines above the head; 2) relatively thin lines above and below the tablet; 3) inner frame lines closer to the
background than to the outer frame lines

Scans can be seen here.........
http://www.rarebooks.nd.edu/digital/...t4T/set4T.html

HTH



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"Aepaep00 [D*]" wrote in message ...
| Can somebody explain me what is DIE.
| for instance STANLEY GIBBONS in ireland :N°12 , 2d ORANGE DIE I
| and n°13 ,2d ORANGE DIE II and then N° 33 DIE I N° 34 DIE II
| again N° 55 , N° 70 DIE II .
| YVERT said nothing about .Is it the watermark ? or something
| else ?
| in HARRAP'S DIE =matrice ou poinçon
| in yvert GB N° 142 wmk E N° 162 wmk H
| THANK YOU
| yves claude
|
| .-=( Sent from: http://www.delcampe.com/usenet_index.php?language=F )=-.
|

Aepaep00 [D*] wrote:
Can somebody explain me what is DIE.
for instance STANLEY GIBBONS in ireland :N°12 , 2d ORANGE DIE I
and n°13 ,2d ORANGE DIE II and then N° 33 DIE I N° 34 DIE II
again N° 55 , N° 70 DIE II .
YVERT said nothing about .Is it the watermark ? or something
else ?
in HARRAP'S DIE =matrice ou poinçon
in yvert GB N° 142 wmk E N° 162 wmk H
THANK YOU
yves claude

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From L. N. Williams' "Fundamentals of Philately": the word die,
"unqualified, means the piece of metal or other material on which
appears the engraved or otherwise applied design, subsequently
multiplied to form the printing base."

Often times multiple dies are created for a particular stamp issue, each
with minor differences in design from the other. This leads to minor
design differences in the stamps printed from the different dies.

= Eric

Eric Bustad wrote:

Aepaep00 [D*] wrote:
Can somebody explain me what is DIE.
for instance STANLEY GIBBONS in ireland :N°12 , 2d ORANGE DIE I
and n°13 ,2d ORANGE DIE II and then N° 33 DIE I N° 34 DIE II
again N° 55 , N° 70 DIE II .
YVERT said nothing about .Is it the watermark ? or something
else ?
in HARRAP'S DIE =matrice ou poinçon
in yvert GB N° 142 wmk E N° 162 wmk H
THANK YOU
yves claude

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From L. N. Williams' "Fundamentals of Philately": the word die,
"unqualified, means the piece of metal or other material on which
appears the engraved or otherwise applied design, subsequently
multiplied to form the printing base."

Often times multiple dies are created for a particular stamp issue, each
with minor differences in design from the other. This leads to minor
design differences in the stamps printed from the different dies.

= Eric

many thanks it is very nice !
i know all
merci encore
yves claude


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I was going to reference this site, but unfortunately both of the stamps
shown are Die II. However, this time I explored some more and found that
http://www.rarebooks.nd.edu/digital/stamps/irish/set6T/set6T.html shows
both types (click on [LAR] to see an enlargement).

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


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G'day Yves Claude,
(Good luck on Thursday for the Rugby play-off with NZ)

Around this time the British 2d base stamp was being modified, from the
original
Die I of 1912 (Scott 162) to Die II
(Scott 162a); sheets of each die were included among the stamps received by
Thom
for overprinting. Thus, the 2d value of
the 17 February Thom overprints reveals two distinct varieties of design. Die
I
(T16, Scott 16b) shows 1) four
horizontal lines in the background of the medallion between the top of the
portr
ait head and the top of the oval; 2)
relatively heavy colored lines above and below the white tablet surrounding
"TWO
PENCE"; 3) inner frame lines about
equidistant from the outer frame lines and the solid color of the background.
Di
e II (T17, Scott 16) shows 1) three
horizontal lines above the head; 2) relatively thin lines above and below the
ta
blet; 3) inner frame lines closer to the
background than to the outer frame lines

Scans can be seen here.........
http://www.rarebooks.nd.edu/digital/...t4T/set4T.html

HTH



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| Can somebody explain me what is DIE.
| for instance STANLEY GIBBONS in ireland :N°12 , 2d ORANGE DIE I
| and n°13 ,2d ORANGE DIE II and then N° 33 DIE I N° 34 DIE II
| again N° 55 , N° 70 DIE II .
| YVERT said nothing about .Is it the watermark ? or something
| else ?
| in HARRAP'S DIE =matrice ou poinçon
| in yvert GB N° 142 wmk E N° 162 wmk H
| THANK YOU
| yves claude
|
| .-=( Sent from: http://www.delcampe.com/usenet_index.php?language=F )=-.
|