1922 No D question

"Chris S" wrote in message
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You'll see that the portion of Lincoln's chest nearest the date shows
reduced detail, also worn down (or "up", from the coin's perspective)
by the die polishing that removed the "D". This evidence of polishing
over a greater area explains why no visible mound would exist.
Besides, I wouldn't expect a polishing that removed a die clash and a
mintmark to create a visible-to-the-naked eye increase in thinkness.

--Chris S

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"John Carney" wrote:
Nice to see you back Chris.

Thanks, John. I got distracted by a few hot projects and a long trip
this summer, and when I went to re-start on rcc, I found that my cable
internet provider had eliminated its news server. It wasn't until last
month or so that I figured out that I could post through Google,
albeit 3 to 9 hours delayed.

--Chris S

ospam (Ira Stein) wrote in message ...
Jim Stonefeel wrote:

ospam (Ira Stein) adds...

Instead, they polished the entire face of the obverse die, lowering the
strength of the design and rendering it shallow and devoid of very fine
detail.

Any ideas as to what sort of logic would direct the D boys to grind an entire
die face below the level of a mm just because of a die clash?

Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.

Sure, Jim. I'm not the 1922 No D Answerman for nothing!

SNIPPITY, SNIP

Did you hear about the 1922 plain that was "found"
in the HAVE A PENNY, LEAVE A PENNY, NEED A PENNY
TAKE A PENNY tray? Did you see the photographs of
what great condition it was?

I think some coin collector pushed that coin into
circulation, just for the press.

Frank Wright wrote:

Did you hear about the 1922 plain that was "found"
in the HAVE A PENNY, LEAVE A PENNY, NEED A PENNY
TAKE A PENNY tray? Did you see the photographs of
what great condition it was?

I think some coin collector pushed that coin into
circulation, just for the press.




I saw the photo, but it was a stocjk photo of the 1922 No D in Unc condition,
not the same as the coin that was found, which was purported to be VF.

I don't think it was a publicity stunt by anyone either. I belive it was simply
a coin that was in a collection that was stolen and then spent. That's how
1931S and 1909S Lincoln cents "suddenly" appear in change.


Ira Stein

Ira Stein wrote:

Frank Wright wrote:

Did you hear about the 1922 plain that was "found"
in the HAVE A PENNY, LEAVE A PENNY, NEED A PENNY
TAKE A PENNY tray? Did you see the photographs of
what great condition it was?

I think some coin collector pushed that coin into
circulation, just for the press.



I saw the photo, but it was a stocjk photo of the 1922 No D in Unc condition,
not the same as the coin that was found, which was purported to be VF.

I don't think it was a publicity stunt by anyone either. I belive it was simply
a coin that was in a collection that was stolen and then spent. That's how
1931S and 1909S Lincoln cents "suddenly" appear in change.

Ira Stein

B..B...Bu...But I was told that cents do *not* circulate! I think a 1922
'plain' could still rear it's head without being a stolen item. ;-) A
1909-S VDB? No way.
;-( Too well known.

Alan
'searching for the silver lining'

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:48:39 GMT, Alan & Erin Williams
wrote:


B..B...Bu...But I was told that cents do *not* circulate! I think a 1922
'plain' could still rear it's head without being a stolen item. ;-) A
1909-S VDB? No way.
;-( Too well known.

You Pros would consider me to be a casual collector. But I've been
aware of the 1922 no mm for decades. Even non-collectors hoard common
date wheat backs. This coin is more than 80 years old, and in VF is
worth "only" $800, within the reach of many collectors. I find it a
lot more believable that this coin was "liberated" illicitly from a
collector than that it remained in circulation all that time. And,
certainly only a very wealthy collector would give away a coin of such
value merely to get anonymous headlines.

Vector spoke thusly...
I find it a
lot more believable that this coin was "liberated" illicitly from a
collector than that it remained in circulation all that time.

Me too but one thing to keep in mind is CoinStar. They processed 33.2
billion coins in 2002 which was more than double what the mint produced
in 2002 (14.4 billion). It was the second year in a row they processed
more coins than the Mint made.

That is a lot of sock drawers being emptied and a lot of change hoards
being liberated. It is not out of the realm of possibility, to me
anyway, that this 1922 might have made its way back into circulation in
a manner like that.

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"frank wight" wrote in message
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ospam (Ira Stein) wrote in message
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Jim Stonefeel wrote:

ospam (Ira Stein) adds...

Instead, they polished the entire face of the obverse die, lowering the
strength of the design and rendering it shallow and devoid of very fine
detail.

Any ideas as to what sort of logic would direct the D boys to grind an
entire
die face below the level of a mm just because of a die clash?

Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.

Sure, Jim. I'm not the 1922 No D Answerman for nothing!

SNIPPITY, SNIP

Did you hear about the 1922 plain that was "found"
in the HAVE A PENNY, LEAVE A PENNY, NEED A PENNY
TAKE A PENNY tray? Did you see the photographs of
what great condition it was?

I think some coin collector pushed that coin into
circulation, just for the press.

In article , ospam
(Ira Stein) writes:


I saw the photo, but it was a stocjk photo of the 1922 No D in Unc condition,
not the same as the coin that was found, which was purported to be VF.

I don't think it was a publicity stunt by anyone either. I belive it was
simply
a coin that was in a collection that was stolen and then spent. That's how
1931S and 1909S Lincoln cents "suddenly" appear in change.


Ira Stein


Probably just a coincidence, but I had a conversation with a "collector" who
claims that his daughter innocently spent his 1922 no"d" when he pulled it from
an ashtray he keeps and gave her a handful of coins to go buy ice cream with.
He seem sincerely chagrinned by it all and don't think he was making it up.
Said he wasn't a very serious collector, but asked about the 2 I had for sale
and what a VF would bring if he had sold it to me. I asked him a bunch of
questions, but I was unaware of this thread and didn't even find out where it
was spent, but the show was in Iowa City IA.

Dondi3
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Vector wrote in message . ..

You Pros would consider me to be a casual collector. But I've been
aware of the 1922 no mm for decades. Even non-collectors hoard common
date wheat backs. This coin is more than 80 years old, and in VF is
worth "only" $800, within the reach of many collectors. I find it a
lot more believable that this coin was "liberated" illicitly from a
collector than that it remained in circulation all that time. And,
certainly only a very wealthy collector would give away a coin of such
value merely to get anonymous headlines.

The only problem with the stolen coin theory is that even the dumbest
thief knows that the coin collection he stole is worth more than face
and he would've fenced it.