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June 12th 05, 08:09 AM
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ogdensports2
New Member Total Posts: 6 This is not an easy fix. I agree, for the money we spend on this site we should not have to compete against outside dealers anywhere on Beckett. Its bad enough we have to compete against the con-shop, and other outside people. We spend lots of money for rent, commission and advertising only to have some people selling for free on the message boards. These box / case break emails happen everyday on the message boards. Some advertise eBay and some just say "its going up today." A quick read of the posts and you will find links to eBay, Naxcom and Bidville. You are not going to get around the "its going up tonight" line, everyone knows what you are talking about --- eBay. So how do you fix it? Beckett needs to ban links to competing sites in posts. By doing this we will make these board users unhappy, but if you read the boards you already know the marketplace is not held in high regard anyway. One post I read asked "Where do you buy your singles ?" Answers looks something like this -- 90% eBay. 7% Naxcom, 2.5% Bidville and 0.5% BMP. Besides most of these members are just looking to pick stuff up cheap. These cheap members are not the clientele we are looking for anyway. But one never knows we have 21 million items up for sale in the BMP. They just might spring for something. Joe see if you can get us some type of advertising on the left side of the message boards. If so many people read the posts it seem like a great place to have something for us. "Help keep these boards free -- Support our marketplace dealers" or some type of small banner. In the Beckett Sites box - get us a marketplace link. Maybe we can get more and more people to come back to the BMP. We are going to see more competition from ebayers and eBay stores. Almost all of our local customers are eBay members and more are setting up eBay stores. We are seeing more and more of them listing everything including singles, before it was just the game used / autograph stuff, now its everything, Singles, Inserts ect... You can't stop them from this you can only compete against them, but we need some advantages, like the Beckett marketplace. A quick look at the extra advertising included in the levels makes me think one could do better by working out of eBay and the boards. Can someone direct me to where some of the items we pay for in the deluxe and power levels, like items being listed for sale in the magazines, deluxe / power members cross promoted in all Beckett products? I will finally see my logo and name in the baseball book (I bought one of the baseball ads) I will stop here with this as I think I need to address this in private. Also I don't want to see these "dealers" show up in the BMP, take down their info and turn them down if they apply for a storefront. Beckett, you will make more money by better supporting the dealers you have today. If you can't beat them, join them. We are looking to set up a bigger singles operation on eBay. Sure its more work and money but you have to go where the customers are going. Hey, even Beckett sells on eBay. Mike VP Ogden Sports Cards Group Posted: 6/10/2005 10:06:50 PM / IP: Recorded DickandJanes Sr. Member Total Posts: 796 Mike GREAT IDEA .... Tile ads promoting the MP stores would be HUGE!!! Sponsorship of message boards is common Vince@Dick&Jane's Sportscards Jacksonville FL Posted: 6/11/2005 8:20:49 AM / IP: Recorded Joe Davis New Member Total Posts: 67 I will ask about advertising / sponsorship of message boards,etc. Beth is on vacation for the next week and she would be the person to make this decision but I will follow up on it . Joe Davis, BMP Board ,Marketing & Promotions Posted: 6/11/2005 9:07:17 AM / IP: Recorded blakeatlonestar Sr. Member Total Posts: 1276 Joe, I wish you would also explore with Beth, the possibility of eliminating the links to other competitive sites...Bidville,Naxcom, Flea-Bay etc. While, the folks who participate on the Beckett boards are most likely "Price-hunters", a large possibility exists that their point-of-view and rhetoric could turn away legitimate customers to the BMP....or could influence legitimate customers, through these links, to shop elsewhere. If we are not allowed to promote our stores in this venue(and rightfully so), then the board contributors should not be allowed to promote other sites, in my opinion. Posted: 6/11/2005 9:29:23 AM / IP: Recorded blakeatlonestar Sr. Member Total Posts: 1276 Joe, here is an exact quote on Beckett's Public Chatroom Policy: " Member posts that are in violation of Beckett.com’s policy may be removed and the member suspended without warning. Violations include, but are not limited to:" . "Advertising merchandise, services or commercial Web sites." Advertising links to other commercial web sites a la: Flea-Bay, Naxcom and Bidville is in direct violation of Beckett's stated policy. Now you have the ammo to get this stopped!!! Blake Posted: 6/11/2005 10:08:59 AM / IP: Recorded CARD SHACK Member Total Posts: 174 Mike, If your stats are correct, why would Beckett give these Flea's the right to do what they are doing? I'am not a pessimist by any neck of the woods, but we all know that the Fleabay mentality is very tough to get through in terms of steering them to the marketplace..Let's face it, a majority of the small sales on that site, dealer profits are all in the shipping fees..If their were better solutions to get them to us, I would be for it.. STEVE CARD SHACK Posted: 6/11/2005 10:13:00 AM / IP: Recorded Home Field Sportscards & Gaming Sr. Member Total Posts: 553 They probably didn't have the personnel to constantly monitor the boards.... then it just went out of control for so long... and now if things were to change to enforce the rules, it would create alot of bad blood. Posted: 6/11/2005 1:17:12 PM / IP: Recorded Jays Cards Sr. Member Total Posts: 859 Greg, Screw 'em ... The ebay dealers do not buy from beckett or the MP ... So why should we care if they are upset! Jay's Cards www.jayscards.com Posted: 6/11/2005 3:31:10 PM / IP: Recorded ogdensports2 New Member Total Posts: 6 Steve, I was trying to locate the post to reconfirm my numbers. I have not found it yet. But what I found makes me glad I don't sell wax on Beckett, If I did I would leave. The hell with a marketplace storefront, and Becketts 10%. I would run my wax off my personal website and advertise a group buy for "2005 xxxx" with a link to my private website. By my count a few guys are making some nice cash and not paying Beckett a dime. 700 a case x 6 cases x beckett's 10% = $420.00 We are waste our time asking for the commission to be lowered on wax when outside members are getting away 100% free. Remove your wax from the BMP and setup a new Beckett Id and hit Boards. Beckett you need to totally remove these sellers from the boards. Delete these group buys and remove the links and such. You need to ban these seller's Id's and make sure they do not pop up in the BMP. A suspension would only be a slap in the face to any current dealer who lists wax for sale in the BMP. Mike Vp Ogden Sports Cards Group Posted: 6/11/2005 4:11:45 PM / IP: Recorded blakeatlonestar Sr. Member Total Posts: 1276 Greg, I think if Beckett gives a 30 day grace period to stop the links and then enforces it after that reasonable people should understand. Posted: 6/11/2005 4:13:22 PM / IP: Recorded 
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June 12th 05, 08:09 AM
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DickandJanes
Sr. Member Total Posts: 796 Blake, The guys breaking the rules are not customers ... why give them any breaks at all The are stealing revenue from Beckett and every MP dealer Vince@Dick&Jane's Sportscards Jacksonville FL Posted: 6/11/2005 4:21:25 PM / IP: Recorded blakeatlonestar Sr. Member Total Posts: 1276 Vince, from a PR standpoint(Beckett), they will create tremendous ill will if they put an immediate stop to it. My inclination is to cut the offenders off tomorrow, but that would not be in Beckett's best interests. We should bring the issue to Beckett's attention(which has been done)and let them find the best solution. They will do what's right. Posted: 6/11/2005 4:30:38 PM / IP: Recorded DickandJanes Sr. Member Total Posts: 796 Blake, Maybe, but ill will from those who want to steal beckett's money and customers is not a bad thing ... I will bet ya even money "nothing" is done ... I hope i am wrong ... this needs to stop! Vince@Dick&Jane's Sportscards Jacksonville FL Posted: 6/11/2005 5:03:00 PM / IP: Recorded GamesandCards.com New Member Total Posts: 100 I think beckett is still trying to figure out what to do with the thousands of members who simply use the message boards as a venue to spam their own "stuff" and pimp their own ebay auctions. They are certainly aware of the freeloaders. I wouldn't want to cut off thousands of visitors to my site. I would just have to come up with a way to profit off them (monthly usage fee, etc..) Other than that, the reality is that the free message board users are such a low priority right now that who knows when that issue would be addressed. It is probably cheaper to leave them be - sucks for us. MOO - arto Arto Poladian - GamesandCards.com Posted: 6/11/2005 5:15:26 PM / IP: Recorded Jays Cards Sr. Member Total Posts: 859 Arto, Money is being "stolen" away from Beckett's coffers and our stores ... That should make it more of a priority. 1) Stop the EASY links is a start ... 2) Warning the users is the next step ... 3) Restricting the posting privilege is doable and been done already It’s simple to me Jay's Cards www.jayscards.com Posted: 6/11/2005 9:05:03 PM / IP: Recorded
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June 12th 05, 07:29 PM
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June 13th 05, 05:45 AM
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Posted: 6/11/2005 11:06:24 PM | IP: Recorded
mattm Sr. Member Total Posts: 910 I for one have spent more money with Beckett due to the message boards (e.g., ordering Beckett online price guide). If any of the BMP view this thread, you need compeitive pricing, we (board members) definatley know about Ebay, Naxcom, Bidville, Yahoo, Overstock, etc. The fact that we sell cards we purchase in variable sources usually provides funds to purchase additional cards/boxes. I for one buy and sell and never pocket the money, it all goes into a new product or card. Posted: 6/11/2005 11:25:34 PM | IP: Recorded ideal0024 - Dan Aliperto Joe Mauer for ROY in '04! Total Posts: 3601 I have now witnessed new lows in greed & whining. Thanks for posting this, it reaffirms why I don't waste my time searching the BMP. One guy (DrBailey2) gets it, everyone else is, as Rich so eloquently puts it, is an idiot. -Dan Email Me My Need Lists Trading/Buying for all Joe & Jake Mauer cards, Robb Quinlan RC's (2000 Bowman & Bowman Chrome #305) & Rick Brosseau RC's (2001 Topps HD #97, Topps Gold Label #92 & TSC #167) "If a man hasn't discovered something he would die for, he isn't fit to live." - Martin Luther King, Jr. "Baseball doesn't owe me a thing, I owe my whole life to baseball." - Kirby Puckett Posted: 6/11/2005 11:36:28 PM | IP: Recorded jsnpritchett Sr. Member Total Posts: 2475 I give this thread about another 5 minutes before it's deleted, locked, or both. That being said, I hope it stays open. Jason FINDER'S FEE PAID FOR HELP ACQUIRING THESE JOHN LACKEY CARDS! Click here to see what I currently need! Thanks! Posted: 6/11/2005 11:40:26 PM | IP: Recorded Hama Member Total Posts: 413 Wayne Bailey is definitely one of the top notch guys I've ever dealt with. One of the great hockey dealers out there. email - Posted: 6/11/2005 11:41:14 PM | IP: Recorded ideal0024 - Dan Aliperto Joe Mauer for ROY in '04! Total Posts: 3601 ---------------- On 6/11/2005 11:40:26 PM , jsnpritchett wrote: I give this thread about another 5 minutes before it's deleted, locked, or both. That being said, I hope it stays open. Jason ---------------- I'm surprised it lasted this long. I figured by the time I was finished reading the post, when I hit reply, it would have disappeared. You're right though, could make for some interesting conversation. -Dan Email Me My Need Lists Trading/Buying for all Joe & Jake Mauer cards, Robb Quinlan RC's (2000 Bowman & Bowman Chrome #305) & Rick Brosseau RC's (2001 Topps HD #97, Topps Gold Label #92 & TSC #167) "If a man hasn't discovered something he would die for, he isn't fit to live." - Martin Luther King, Jr. "Baseball doesn't owe me a thing, I owe my whole life to baseball." - Kirby Puckett Posted: 6/11/2005 11:42:02 PM | IP: Recorded Sean C Beat me if you can, survive if I let you. Total Posts: 9690 You want to here something really funny? I just spent $150 with Lone Star sportscards last night (Rickie Weeks autographed Donruss Champions card # 1 out of 10). Link to my PSA collection (with a link to my PSA Set Registry sets) Help me keep track of great limited and #'d cards pulled from packs! email auctions, scans, etc. to . jsj3322 and woot485 were shill bid ID's for zenimann (zenimann89 on the Beckett boards). Read all about it here! Help Rockies Fan keep track of the 2001 Bowman Chrome Pujols autographed rookies! Posted: 6/11/2005 11:47:52 PM | IP: Recorded Vincent LaGuardia Gambini Phillies Phanatic Total Posts: 9863 Well, there's about 15-20 dealers that I'm never going to deal with again. Shooting themselves in the foot... Jeff All kinds of neat stuff on eBay including one of 3 AFLAC Xfractors (more coming!), 5 AFLAC Chromes, and 25 AFLAC Bowman lots, GIO GONZALEZ RED HOT PROSPECT AUTO 20/25, GIO GONZALEZ Elite Auto Blue Die Cut /50, refractors and a lot more! Posted: 6/11/2005 11:50:28 PM | IP: Recorded Dave Courtney Grand Olde Member Total Posts: 4913 ---------------- On 6/11/2005 11:47:52 PM , Sean C wrote: You want to here something really funny? I just spent $150 with Lone Star sportscards last night (Rickie Weeks autographed Donruss Champions card # 1 out of 10). ---------------- Of course you are assuming that you don't get the proverbial "out-of-stock" excuse only to find the card relisted on the BMP with a higher price. I can only say that I have searched the BMP many times and bought from it very little because the prices are generally not competitive. After reading that post, why would I buy from any of those BMP dealers? My Bidville store - lots of cheap stuff with $2 shipping for any amount of cards - Always interested in Donruss Recollection Autos (1981-1987)... BA says he'll only be a fourth outfielder.... so send all your Nate McLouth Rookies to me! Posted: 6/12/2005 12:01:02 AM | IP: Recorded jsnpritchett Sr. Member Total Posts: 2475 ---------------- On 6/11/2005 11:50:28 PM , Vincent LaGuardia Gambini wrote: Well, there's about 15-20 dealers that I'm never going to deal with again. Shooting themselves in the foot... ---------------- We rarely agree, Jeff, but I'm with you on this one. I've made almost 40 different orders in the past couple of years from the Beckett Marketplace, including purchases from virtually every dealer who posted in that thread. I don't think I'll be making too many more in the future. Jason FINDER'S FEE PAID FOR HELP ACQUIRING THESE JOHN LACKEY CARDS! Click here to see what I currently need! Thanks! Posted: 6/12/2005 12:03:51 AM | IP: Recorded jsnpritchett Sr. Member Total Posts: 2475 ---------------- On 6/12/2005 12:01:02 AM , Dave Courtney wrote: Of course you are assuming that you don't get the proverbial "out-of-stock" excuse only to find the card relisted on the BMP with a higher price. I can only say that I have searched the BMP many times and bought from it very little because the prices are generally not competitive. After reading that post, why would I buy from any of those BMP dealers? ---------------- Oh, come on, Dave! You're clearly just saying that because you have a link to your Bidville store in your sig!  Jason FINDER'S FEE PAID FOR HELP ACQUIRING THESE JOHN LACKEY CARDS! Click here to see what I currently need! Thanks! Posted: 6/12/2005 12:05:02 AM | IP: Recorded mudflap02 Sr. Member Total Posts: 654 Sorry guys I had to post this using an anon ID. I don't want Beckett pulling the plug on my reg just for posting the truth. IP address, bud. That being said, thanks for sharing with us. I doubt the mods are on since they have hot dates every saturday night, but I expect this thread to be gone soon. It's not your fault for posting the transscript, its the dealer's fault for being so shortd=3Dsighted and posting all that. They act like it's our privilege to buy from them, when in fact it's the other way round. -------------------------------------- PSA Nolan Ryans and Heritage Baseball My WebPage Looking for Topps Heritage Black Refractors /55 or /56 - please email me if you have one. Posted: 6/12/2005 12:05:09 AM | IP: Recorded BennyQ Sr. Member Total Posts: 696 Edited: I wonder if the dealers who sold chrome AFLAC's were upset that they got free advertising out of what started as an eBay thread... Smooth Trades: Sniper25, Wolfmanalfredo, Zackfeld52, Tim, Cowboysrule48 Won't trade with again: Reeceoa Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Posted: 6/12/2005 12:08:28 AM | IP: Recorded Sean C Beat me if you can, survive if I let you. Total Posts: 9690 Well guys, I think we need to let Beckett know that if they implement the changes suggested by the marketplace dealers that we will be leaving the boards and boycotting Beckett products. Granted it won't be too hard for me, since I don't buy the magazine, try to avoid BGS cards when I can, and while I'll be sad to leave these boards, the day that Jay's cards dictates what I can and can't talk about in a hobby forum is the day that I don't want to be a part of it anyomre. I've never liked the marketplace (between the constant "out of stock" issue on hot cards, the overpriced singles, and poor shipping by most dealers), but this takes the taco. Wanye is indeed a great dealer and great guy. I'm sorry to see that he's stuck in this mess Granted the MP dealers probably aren't around to see it in action, but I'd say that true SPAM posts are down over 90% since Beckett started having board moderators. If they want to see what true SPAM is like, they should go over to the Topps board sometime. You've gotta love the "FleBay" potshots. eBay is probably the greatest thing to happen to this hobby since the first Beckett priceguide and Ultra-Pro's improvements on card protection. As pointed out in their own post, even Beckett is selling cards on eBay on consignment! The #1 rule in business fellas is "Adapt or die", and these guys are on a joy-ride straight into the La Brea tar pits. Hope they brought enough .50 1988 Topps cards to read while they sink. Link to my PSA collection (with a link to my PSA Set Registry sets) Help me keep track of great limited and #'d cards pulled from packs! email auctions, scans, etc. to . jsj3322 and woot485 were shill bid ID's for zenimann (zenimann89 on the Beckett boards). Read all about it here! Help Rockies Fan keep track of the 2001 Bowman Chrome Pujols autographed rookies! Posted: 6/12/2005 12:12:59 AM | IP: Recorded Dave Courtney Grand Olde Member Total Posts: 4913 ---------------- On 6/12/2005 12:05:02 AM , jsnpritchett wrote: ---------------- On 6/12/2005 12:01:02 AM , Dave Courtney wrote: Of course you are assuming that you don't get the proverbial "out-of-stock" excuse only to find the card relisted on the BMP with a higher price. I can only say that I have searched the BMP many times and bought from it very little because the prices are generally not competitive. After reading that post, why would I buy from any of those BMP dealers? ---------------- Oh, come on, Dave! You're clearly just saying that because you have a link to your Bidville store in your sig! Jason ---------------- Your on to me... my leftovers on Bidville will put the entire BMP out of business muuwwwwaaaaahhhaaaaaahaaaaa My Bidville store - lots of cheap stuff with $2 shipping for any amount of cards - Always interested in Donruss Recollection Autos (1981-1987)... BA says he'll only be a fourth outfielder.... so send all your Nate McLouth Rookies to me! Posted: 6/12/2005 12:12:59 AM | IP: Recorded Ryan Johnson aka Edmondsfan15 Sr. Member Total Posts: 3352 I haven't had the pleasure of buying anything off of the BMP, but it looks like i don't want to any time soon. I've seen a couple of nice cards, but they are waaaaayyy over priced and don't include any pictures either (always a big plus, at least for me). And from what I've heard, I'd be wasting my time to even show some interest in the card, as it'll be relisted at twice the current price. I think I'll stick to the usual places of business, as that =3D less hassle. Posted: 6/12/2005 12:17:49 AM | IP: Recorded Sean C Beat me if you can, survive if I let you. Total Posts: 9690 Nah, they already sent me a USPS Delivery Confirm # and said the card was out the door. I got the "out of stock" schtick when I tried to buy a George Mikan autograph the other day. I reported that guy. ---------------- On 6/12/2005 12:01:02 AM , Dave Courtney wrote: ---------------- On 6/11/2005 11:47:52 PM , Sean C wrote: You want to here something really funny? I just spent $150 with Lone Star sportscards last night (Rickie Weeks autographed Donruss Champions card # 1 out of 10). ---------------- Of course you are assuming that you don't get the proverbial "out-of-stock" excuse only to find the card relisted on the BMP with a higher price. I can only say that I have searched the BMP many times and bought from it very little because the prices are generally not competitive. After reading that post, why would I buy from any of those BMP dealers? ---------------- Link to my PSA collection (with a link to my PSA Set Registry sets) Help me keep track of great limited and #'d cards pulled from packs! email auctions, scans, etc. to . jsj3322 and woot485 were shill bid ID's for zenimann (zenimann89 on the Beckett boards). Read all about it here! Help Rockies Fan keep track of the 2001 Bowman Chrome Pujols autographed rookies! Posted: 6/12/2005 12:17:54 AM | IP: Recorded cub4life78 Sr. Member Total Posts: 1139 Dick and Jane? Never will I spend a dime with you. And most others for that matter on BMP, bunch of babies is what you are. As for the mentioning of group buy threads being a problem, I would be more than happy to set up a message board on my website so we can continue. Email is in sig if interested. And another word of wisdom for you MP sellers whining so bad about it being "unfair", quit ripping people off, THAT'S why you make no sales, not what's discussed on these boards. Terje R. Help me get a new ipod! It REALLY works! Visit my autograph section of my website! Collecting any and all Cubs players, mostly auto's and game used. Posted: 6/12/2005 12:21:01 AM | IP: Recorded Ryan Johnson aka Edmondsfan15 Sr. Member Total Posts: 3352 Here's my favorite quote... "Besides most of these members are just looking to pick stuff up cheap. These cheap members are not the clientele we are looking for anyway. But one never knows we have 21 million items up for sale in the BMP. They just might spring for something." Their whole marketing scheme =3D rip people off.  Posted: 6/12/2005 12:26:31 AM | IP: Recorded BowmanChromeAddict Sr. Member Total Posts: 3488 These guys are idiots. I've spent over $700 on the marketplace this year. They didn't seem to be complaining over my orders. Give me a fricking break. Jim MASSIVE EBAY SPAM: USA Autos & Jerseys from 2003 USA & 2004 SP Prospects! 2005 Bowman Jumbo 2 Box Lots! The Newly Added 2003 Bowman Chrome Draft Gold Refractor Set - #1 Finest Set!!! (atleast until other people discover that I had this set added to the registry) My Trade & Want List My email: My AOL IM: BCDraftAddict Posted: 6/12/2005 12:29:35 AM | IP: Recorded cub4life78 Sr. Member Total Posts: 1139 If I had a sales person talk to me like that in a store I'd punch him in his mouth (not really but you get the idea), these guys are idiots as Dan and eventually Rich will elude to. Terje R. Help me get a new ipod! It REALLY works! Visit my autograph section of my website! Collecting any and all Cubs players, mostly auto's and game used. Posted: 6/12/2005 12:30:33 AM | IP: Recorded Previous Page | Next Page Pages: 1 Navigation: =BB Hobby-Talk =BB =BB Baseball =BB GREEDY MARKETPLACE DEALER ****S
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June 14th 05, 12:14 AM
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All they're going to do is drive collectors away from Beckett boards to
Sports Card Sheriff and Sports Card Forum. Sad. "BECKETTYBECKETT" wrote in message ups.com... Greed is such a beautiful thing.
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September 11th 05, 12:23 AM
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By Me Actually, the past tense would be more correct. Nearly all of the decent collectors/buyers have already been driven off of the BMB's. We already frequent other forums that are far more tolerable. This is not to say that this should affect the BMP any differently, as most would have never bought from those dealers with their inflated prices to begin with. The links and the Ebay spam are not & never were a problem for the BMP dealers. The true problem lies within. Price gouging, misrepresented items, unscrupulous sales tactics and all aroung smug attitudes are just some of the day to days that cause many to not only avoid the BMP, but we also like to spread the word for others and new collectors to stay away. Everyone knows that you can find the same items for 1/2 the price and 1/2 the headache on Ebay. End of Rant. Thanks
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