ICGS grading of Canadian coins

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On Aug 12, 11:17 am, "note.boy" wrote:
"RWF" wrote in message

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Is it just be or do others find that ICGS seriously UNDERgrades
Canadian
coins?
I've gotten some real beauties graded MS61 or MS62 that should be at
least
MS65.

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If it's true if I were you I would not be telling anyone. Billy

Why not?


If I told you I would have to kill you. Billy

"They undergraded - and thus, underpriced it - before I bought
it. So I can crack it out, and send it to some other grading
service that will grant me a higher-value slab. So I can resell
it for more bucks."

Did I get that right?


No

No such thing as a higher-value slab.

JAM

RF wrote:

On Aug 13, 4:20 pm, Bill Dukenfield wrote:
RWF wrote:

Is it just be or do others find that ICGS seriously UNDERgrades Canadian coins?
I've gotten some real beauties graded MS61 or MS62 that should be at least MS65.

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Never heard of ICGS. Looks like a service with a limited reputation.

http://www.icgs.us/

ICCS is the preeminent certification service for Canadian coins.

CCCS is also well respected.

JAM

Yep, JAM - JAM my typo up your ass and make sure it doesn't hit your
brain on the way in.

Too late.

JAM

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"RF" wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 11:17 am, "note.boy" wrote:
"RWF" wrote in message

.. .

Is it just be or do others find that ICGS seriously UNDERgrades
Canadian
coins?
I've gotten some real beauties graded MS61 or MS62 that should be at
least
MS65.

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Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

If it's true if I were you I would not be telling anyone. Billy

Why not?


If I told you I would have to kill you. Billy


"They undergraded - and thus, underpriced it - before I bought
it. So I can crack it out, and send it to some other grading
service that will grant me a higher-value slab. So I can resell
it for more bucks."

Did I get that right?


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The secret is out. Billy

In article , "RWF" wrote:

Is it just be or do others find that ICGS seriously UNDERgrades Canadian
coins?
I've gotten some real beauties graded MS61 or MS62 that should be at least
MS65.

ICCS grades Canadian coinz to Canadian standards.

PCGS and NGC grade Canadian coinz to U. S. standards.

A Canadian MS61/62 may indeed be equivalent to a US MS65 ...

When I ustadeal in Canadian coins, I found that only a small
perzent of PCGS/NGC coins would sell at the same grade (i. e.,
PRICE) in Canada as similarly-graded ICCS coins would ...

(U. S. customers, on the other hand, were generally quite
a bit less discriminating ...).

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Ken Barr wrote:

In article , "RWF" wrote:

Is it just be or do others find that ICGS seriously UNDERgrades Canadian
coins?
I've gotten some real beauties graded MS61 or MS62 that should be at least
MS65.

ICCS grades Canadian coinz to Canadian standards.

PCGS and NGC grade Canadian coinz to U. S. standards.

A Canadian MS61/62 may indeed be equivalent to a US MS65 ...

When I ustadeal in Canadian coins, I found that only a small
perzent of PCGS/NGC coins would sell at the same grade (i. e.,
PRICE) in Canada as similarly-graded ICCS coins would ...

(U. S. customers, on the other hand, were generally quite
a bit less discriminating ...).



Ya, OK, but what about coins graded by ICGS?

JAM

Ï "RWF" Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
.. .
Is it just be or do others find that ICGS seriously UNDERgrades Canadian
coins?
I've gotten some real beauties graded MS61 or MS62 that should be at least
MS65.


I do collect ICCS slabbed coins ($1 silver) but I have seen more overgraded
coins than undergraded!
IMO ICCS overgrades several of the coins they slab.
But I am not a good grader so please take my opinion with much salt and
pepper...

rgrds

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E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and mo
http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

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Ï "RWF" Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
.. .
Is it just be or do others find that ICGS seriously UNDERgrades Canadian
coins?
I've gotten some real beauties graded MS61 or MS62 that should be at
least
MS65.


I do collect ICCS slabbed coins ($1 silver) but I have seen more
overgraded
coins than undergraded!
IMO ICCS overgrades several of the coins they slab.
But I am not a good grader so please take my opinion with much salt and
pepper...

I think I'll have a nice, big, juicy prime rib with my salt and pepper,
thanks! You don't have to be a good grader to recognize overgrading, gogu.
It's everywhere.

James

Ï "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
...

"gogu" wrote in message
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Ï "RWF" Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
.. .
Is it just be or do others find that ICGS seriously UNDERgrades Canadian
coins?
I've gotten some real beauties graded MS61 or MS62 that should be at
least
MS65.


I do collect ICCS slabbed coins ($1 silver) but I have seen more
overgraded
coins than undergraded!
IMO ICCS overgrades several of the coins they slab.
But I am not a good grader so please take my opinion with much salt and
pepper...


I think I'll have a nice, big, juicy prime rib with my salt and pepper,
thanks! You don't have to be a good grader to recognize overgrading,
gogu. It's everywhere.

Indeed James:-)
When I first decided to start collecting raw and slabbed Canadian silver
dollars I was hearing of how tough ICCS is, how they undergrade coins, etc,
etc, etc...
Later I saw so many overgraded ICCS slabbed silver dollars that now I do not
trust them anymore.
http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/b...d%201935-1969/

rgrds

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E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and mo
http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

James

Um...

I think the original poster was mentioning "ICGS" while you are
talking about "ICCS"

I have found ICGS to be on a par with NGC for overall consistency
in grading.

Regards

Dan


"gogu" wrote in message
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Ï "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
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"gogu" wrote in message
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Ï "RWF" Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
.. .
Is it just be or do others find that ICGS seriously UNDERgrades
Canadian
coins?
I've gotten some real beauties graded MS61 or MS62 that should be at
least
MS65.


I do collect ICCS slabbed coins ($1 silver) but I have seen more
overgraded
coins than undergraded!
IMO ICCS overgrades several of the coins they slab.
But I am not a good grader so please take my opinion with much salt and
pepper...


I think I'll have a nice, big, juicy prime rib with my salt and pepper,
thanks! You don't have to be a good grader to recognize overgrading,
gogu. It's everywhere.

Indeed James:-)
When I first decided to start collecting raw and slabbed Canadian silver
dollars I was hearing of how tough ICCS is, how they undergrade coins,
etc, etc, etc...
Later I saw so many overgraded ICCS slabbed silver dollars that now I do
not trust them anymore.
http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/b...d%201935-1969/

rgrds

--

E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and mo
http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

James

Coinenthusiast wrote:
I think the original poster was mentioning "ICGS" while you are
talking about "ICCS"

I have found ICGS to be on a par with NGC for overall consistency in
grading.

I've been confused by this entire thread. I've never heard of "ICGS".
Did the OP mean "ICG" or "ICCS"?

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