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Who's at fault for wasting my time tonight? I checked ROLLS of nickels tonight....



 
 
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Old July 10th 03, 11:10 AM
Ron
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Default Who's at fault for wasting my time tonight? I checked ROLLS of nickels tonight....

So, since I don't want to blame myself, I need to blame one of you
guys.....

I am taking a few days off from work this week and got bored
today...so, not having spare money, i decided to "exchange" some money
on a "loan" basis....

I went to a bank in town (~30 miles outside of Seattle) and got:

12 rolls of nickels (thanks to Larry...or, curse him , I have the
Harris&Co. Nickel holders (ummm...I forgot to get te PRE-1962 one
though ).

12 Rolls of dimes

10 Rolls of pennies

20 rolls of quarters (I am only doing state quarters....why oh why did
I get all those quarters????)

and misc $0.50 and Sac $1 coins ( a few 1971 and 1991 and some
1976....nothing prior to 1971 for the kennedys).

So far, I have only done the nickels......that took HOURS because I am
not used to doing rolls (what are YOUR guys' methods to this madness?)
I put done a small table, opened 1 roll at a time, and divided into
the year and now will do year-by-year and put into the holder.
I also had $4.20 in nickels from pocket change that was waiting for my
nickel folder to arrive this week.

Here are the highlights of my first nickel dive....very unscientific
and very time-consuming....and, I culled the crap coins (really
marred, really scratched, unreadable (all were 1964 or later like this
though) right off the bat and didn't count them...

First off...THERE WERE A BUTTLOAD of 1964 nickels made (yes...I
finally looked at the redbook and saw there were more than a BILLION
of the 1964 AND of the 1964D EACH.

I got 1 canadian 1995 nickel (ALL were bankrolled...the bank doesn't
screen for them in their own rolls, but when I use their sorting
machines to cash in the coins, they screen them out? say what????)

(1) 1939 - Somewhere between F-12 and VF-20 (I am new to nickels and
using the photograde book I just received from Larry Calder)
(1) 1953 - Probably a VG-8 due to wear on the rev and some scratches
on the obv..otherwise, the obv would be ~F-12
(1) 1954D - another VG-8..maybe a little stronger, not much though
(1) 1957 - probably F-12. Toning This was actual pocket change last
week
(1) 1958D - A little more than a F-12 but not quite all the VF-20
(3) 1960D - (1 cleaned, 1 G-8, 1 F-12)
(1) 1961D - F-12+ but scratches that look like it was wiped.

So, those all await something to hold them in...I need to get just the
1938-1961 holder now....

Then, I have found ALL the rest up through 2002 EXCEPT I found NO 1966
and 1967!!! What is up with that?

(0) 1962
(1) 1962D - VF-12
(0) 1963
(2) 1963D
(4) 1964 - all seem nice but worn VG-8 - lmost VF20
(18) 1964D - most around F-12
(2) 1965 - Higher than VF-20 but looks rubbed/cleaned
(0) 1966
(0) 1967
(2) 1968S F-12+
(1) 1968D F-12+
(3) 1968S
(2) 1969D
(4) 1970S
(3) 1970D
(1) 1971
(4) 1971D
(1) 1972
(4) 1972D - interesting FILTHY coin that is close to AU-50
(0) 1973
(6) 1973D
(1) 1974
(3) 1974D
(3) 1975
(2) 1975D
(1) 1976
(6) 1976D
(3) 1977
(4) 1977D
(3) 1978
(3) 1978D
(5) 1979
(7) 1979D - 2 appear almost PL but one has too many scratches for me
(1) 1980
(9) 1980D - some are clear/open MM and some seem filled
(5) 1981
(1) 1981D
(4) 1982
(4) 1982D
(4) 1983
(4) 1983D
(1) 1984
(9) 1984D
(4) 1985
(9) 1985D
(2) 1986
(4) 1986D
(3) 1987 - all 3 seem to have same wear on rims...weak?
(12) 1987D - 1 is weirdly/radically toned
(8) 1988
(11) 1988D
(2) 1989
(15) 1989D
(1) 1990
(8) 1990D
(4) 1991
(14) 1991D
(1) 1992
(10) 1992D
(0) 1993
(9) 1993D
(0) 1994
(14) 1994D
(8) 1995
(18) 1995D

That finishes THAT book.... 7 holes currently Most of the coins
seem to be VF-20 thru VF-40 (the '70s are largely VF it looks like)
with some in VG-8+ and some in AU-50 or so (I don't call coins I get
in change or rolls from the bank that are mixed MS coins....just
doesn't seem right to me even if they look it......anyone tell me
differently? I will listen.

So, for book two (jeez....this is taking FOREVER...lot of
nickels....next will be pennies.....shades oh shades....that will be a
lot of time I think)....my fingers and especially my thumbs are
already killing me starting on ~1993

(3) 1996
(21) 1996D
(1) 1997 - would be EF-40+ but it is covered in scratches
(20) 1997D
(4) 1998
(28) 1998D
(0) 1999
(40) 1999D
(3) 2000
(27) 2000D - Some of these are PL in appearance....imho.kinda cool
(was there a change in composition or something?)
(0) 2001
(22) 2001D
(3) 2002
(37) 2003D - got a noticeable end roll toned coin...cool

That gives me 2 current holes (4) if you include this year (I haven't
seen 2003 yet....and since I live in Washington State, I probably
won't see the P MM for awhile...since that MM constitutes my holes for
all of them so far)


Total time to unwrap nickels, put into year-piles, and then put into
the books and sort them.... 5 hours+ !!!!! How do you guys do it?


Now, do I keep some of the nickels or toss them back into the stream
of finances?


Ron






















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Old July 10th 03, 01:49 PM
Alan & Erin Williams
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Steve wrote:

Ron,
I have lots of "extra" nickels. If you want, check my list and see
if I have anything you need. LMK what you find. As for not finding a
'67(with a mintage of 107,324,750), for some reason they are terribly
hard to find. Just ask Alan, he'll tell you.
My system is simple. I sit down and go through one roll at a time. I
keep everything before 1970 with the exception of 1964(unless in EF or
better), all the S-mints, all the '71's, and all the pristine newer
dates. I then roll up the others and take them back to the bank on my
next trip.

I second Steve's post. ;-) Those are exactly the parameters I search as
well, pre-1970 (except 1964, although I have kept one or two for
exceptionally high grade, interesting countermark or a diebreak or chip
or something).

I've found a total of 14 1967 Jefferson nickels from roll searches in
the past 30 months or so. That's out of something like 20,000 coins
searched, IIRC.

I'd never attempt as massive a search as you have undertaken...all that
change at once! Nickels do go pretty quickly, but the cents will
absolutely slow you down. ;-)

Alan
'lots of flipping'
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Old July 10th 03, 02:04 PM
Paul
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Ron,

I don't do pennies, nickels dime, or quarters, ( cuz I just don't like the
small coins' feel ), but for halves...

I have a list of all dates with know varieties in my head and on the table
in front of me. (Cuz I read the book first !!!)

A. I open the roll slide out all the coins and check the edge for silver.
Separate those.

B. Check the obverse for

1: die cracks/cuds near the edge
2: die cracks near the bust
3: doubled lettering on TRUST

C. Check the reverse for

1. "FG"
2. die cracks/cuds near the edge
3. Doubled lettering on "HALF DOLLAR" ( a current notion )

D. Drop an unwanted coin in a coin tube ( directly below my hands ) to be
rolled when the tube is full.

I have a 5x magnifying glass for dates with supposed DD, or for weird things
that catch my eye.

With practice (4 years) I do a roll (20 coins) in about 1 - 1.5 minutes.

I don't check for rotated dies, and some tiny things will get by me, like DD
by checking the stars on reverse, but me eyes can't focus that well anyway.


Paul
"Ron" wrote in message
...
So, since I don't want to blame myself, I need to blame one of you
guys.....

I am taking a few days off from work this week and got bored
today...so, not having spare money, i decided to "exchange" some money
on a "loan" basis....

I went to a bank in town (~30 miles outside of Seattle) and got:

12 rolls of nickels (thanks to Larry...or, curse him , I have the
Harris&Co. Nickel holders (ummm...I forgot to get te PRE-1962 one
though ).

12 Rolls of dimes

10 Rolls of pennies

20 rolls of quarters (I am only doing state quarters....why oh why did
I get all those quarters????)

and misc $0.50 and Sac $1 coins ( a few 1971 and 1991 and some
1976....nothing prior to 1971 for the kennedys).

So far, I have only done the nickels......that took HOURS because I am
not used to doing rolls (what are YOUR guys' methods to this madness?)
I put done a small table, opened 1 roll at a time, and divided into
the year and now will do year-by-year and put into the holder.
I also had $4.20 in nickels from pocket change that was waiting for my
nickel folder to arrive this week.

Here are the highlights of my first nickel dive....very unscientific
and very time-consuming....and, I culled the crap coins (really
marred, really scratched, unreadable (all were 1964 or later like this
though) right off the bat and didn't count them...

First off...THERE WERE A BUTTLOAD of 1964 nickels made (yes...I
finally looked at the redbook and saw there were more than a BILLION
of the 1964 AND of the 1964D EACH.

I got 1 canadian 1995 nickel (ALL were bankrolled...the bank doesn't
screen for them in their own rolls, but when I use their sorting
machines to cash in the coins, they screen them out? say what????)

(1) 1939 - Somewhere between F-12 and VF-20 (I am new to nickels and
using the photograde book I just received from Larry Calder)
(1) 1953 - Probably a VG-8 due to wear on the rev and some scratches
on the obv..otherwise, the obv would be ~F-12
(1) 1954D - another VG-8..maybe a little stronger, not much though
(1) 1957 - probably F-12. Toning This was actual pocket change last
week
(1) 1958D - A little more than a F-12 but not quite all the VF-20
(3) 1960D - (1 cleaned, 1 G-8, 1 F-12)
(1) 1961D - F-12+ but scratches that look like it was wiped.

So, those all await something to hold them in...I need to get just the
1938-1961 holder now....

Then, I have found ALL the rest up through 2002 EXCEPT I found NO 1966
and 1967!!! What is up with that?

(0) 1962
(1) 1962D - VF-12
(0) 1963
(2) 1963D
(4) 1964 - all seem nice but worn VG-8 - lmost VF20
(18) 1964D - most around F-12
(2) 1965 - Higher than VF-20 but looks rubbed/cleaned
(0) 1966
(0) 1967
(2) 1968S F-12+
(1) 1968D F-12+
(3) 1968S
(2) 1969D
(4) 1970S
(3) 1970D
(1) 1971
(4) 1971D
(1) 1972
(4) 1972D - interesting FILTHY coin that is close to AU-50
(0) 1973
(6) 1973D
(1) 1974
(3) 1974D
(3) 1975
(2) 1975D
(1) 1976
(6) 1976D
(3) 1977
(4) 1977D
(3) 1978
(3) 1978D
(5) 1979
(7) 1979D - 2 appear almost PL but one has too many scratches for me
(1) 1980
(9) 1980D - some are clear/open MM and some seem filled
(5) 1981
(1) 1981D
(4) 1982
(4) 1982D
(4) 1983
(4) 1983D
(1) 1984
(9) 1984D
(4) 1985
(9) 1985D
(2) 1986
(4) 1986D
(3) 1987 - all 3 seem to have same wear on rims...weak?
(12) 1987D - 1 is weirdly/radically toned
(8) 1988
(11) 1988D
(2) 1989
(15) 1989D
(1) 1990
(8) 1990D
(4) 1991
(14) 1991D
(1) 1992
(10) 1992D
(0) 1993
(9) 1993D
(0) 1994
(14) 1994D
(8) 1995
(18) 1995D

That finishes THAT book.... 7 holes currently Most of the coins
seem to be VF-20 thru VF-40 (the '70s are largely VF it looks like)
with some in VG-8+ and some in AU-50 or so (I don't call coins I get
in change or rolls from the bank that are mixed MS coins....just
doesn't seem right to me even if they look it......anyone tell me
differently? I will listen.

So, for book two (jeez....this is taking FOREVER...lot of
nickels....next will be pennies.....shades oh shades....that will be a
lot of time I think)....my fingers and especially my thumbs are
already killing me starting on ~1993

(3) 1996
(21) 1996D
(1) 1997 - would be EF-40+ but it is covered in scratches
(20) 1997D
(4) 1998
(28) 1998D
(0) 1999
(40) 1999D
(3) 2000
(27) 2000D - Some of these are PL in appearance....imho.kinda cool
(was there a change in composition or something?)
(0) 2001
(22) 2001D
(3) 2002
(37) 2003D - got a noticeable end roll toned coin...cool

That gives me 2 current holes (4) if you include this year (I haven't
seen 2003 yet....and since I live in Washington State, I probably
won't see the P MM for awhile...since that MM constitutes my holes for
all of them so far)


Total time to unwrap nickels, put into year-piles, and then put into
the books and sort them.... 5 hours+ !!!!! How do you guys do it?


Now, do I keep some of the nickels or toss them back into the stream
of finances?


Ron
























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Old July 10th 03, 02:25 PM
John Carney
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Ron wrote
(I don't call coins I get
in change or rolls from the bank that are mixed MS coins....just
doesn't seem right to me even if they look it......anyone tell me
differently? I will listen.


Yes, even if you find a coin in a puddle of mud, if there is no sign
of wear, no luster breaks, it is MS.

John
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Old July 10th 03, 09:51 PM
Ron
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Ummm......nickels go quickly?
Did you see how long I took? That is quickly?
I did wheaties (bought on ebay as one of my first coin buys months
ago) with the wife and it took SOOO long and hurt the thumbs SOOO much
from putting into albums that she shudders whenever I put a penny near
her and say "let's look at pennies" . She decided, right after
that, NOT to do state quarters like she was going to, but do gold
pieces......I think one of the reasons was because they are so
expensive we won't get any/many gold pieces too often. heh.

The reason for my massive undertaking, at the initial onset right now,
is to just get as many dates/MMs as I can for the albums to complete
them for my 17mo son. I want him to have something that is as
complete as possible to keep him interested (there is nothing like
frustration causing you to give up a project because you can't finish
it).

After I complete the sets, as much as I can (and, Steve, I looked at
your list online and will probably be in contact with you asking for
the extras (and seeing what I need to trade with you , if I have
anything you want like that...I think you are more established than I
am) I will do the occassional roll and start trying to upgrade the
pieces and look for errors, etc.

Man...I just about dreamt 1964 nickels all night.....why oh why were
THAT many minted that year?

btw...I thank you both for the advice on what you keep and what you
chuck....I wasn't sure what was good or not for nickels that way....

now...I have to do 12 rolls of dimes.......(probably before the 11
rolls of pennies ).

I was sad...no buffalo nickels or anything cool....just a canadian
nickel

Ron


On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:49:16 -0400, Alan & Erin Williams
wrote:

Steve wrote:

Ron,
I have lots of "extra" nickels. If you want, check my list and see
if I have anything you need. LMK what you find. As for not finding a
'67(with a mintage of 107,324,750), for some reason they are terribly
hard to find. Just ask Alan, he'll tell you.
My system is simple. I sit down and go through one roll at a time. I
keep everything before 1970 with the exception of 1964(unless in EF or
better), all the S-mints, all the '71's, and all the pristine newer
dates. I then roll up the others and take them back to the bank on my
next trip.

I second Steve's post. ;-) Those are exactly the parameters I search as
well, pre-1970 (except 1964, although I have kept one or two for
exceptionally high grade, interesting countermark or a diebreak or chip
or something).

I've found a total of 14 1967 Jefferson nickels from roll searches in
the past 30 months or so. That's out of something like 20,000 coins
searched, IIRC.

I'd never attempt as massive a search as you have undertaken...all that
change at once! Nickels do go pretty quickly, but the cents will
absolutely slow you down. ;-)

Alan
'lots of flipping'


 




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