Double Wheat Back

A co-worker showed me a wheat back penny that was "tails" on both sides.
The one side looked perfect but the other side was a little messed up,
especially around the edge. The appears to be no evidence that there was
ever a bust of Lincoln on the coin. I am new to this group and am only an
amateur coin collector, but I thought that this type of error was
impossible. Anybody ever heard of an error coin like this ? I hope to get
ahold of the coin and try to take some close-up photographs of it. So
without seeing it, what do you think ? Is it a fake ? That is my guess.
If it's not fake, any ideas what it would be worth ? THANKS in advance.
To personally reply : Remove PANTS, from the email address.

"Pfeister" wrote in message
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A co-worker showed me a wheat back penny that was "tails" on both sides.
The one side looked perfect but the other side was a little messed up,
especially around the edge. The appears to be no evidence that there was
ever a bust of Lincoln on the coin. I am new to this group and am only an
amateur coin collector, but I thought that this type of error was
impossible. Anybody ever heard of an error coin like this ? I hope to get
ahold of the coin and try to take some close-up photographs of it. So
without seeing it, what do you think ? Is it a fake ? That is my guess.
If it's not fake, any ideas what it would be worth ? THANKS in advance.
To personally reply : Remove PANTS, from the email address.


Hi.
Common question.
Common fake.
Sinful thing to do to an innocent wheatie.
Easy to machine, cheap to buy at magician's shops.
Worth a few dollars (but not to a coin collector)
....and no, such an "error" is not feasible.

--
Jeff R.

Such "two-tailed" coins *do* exist as legitimate mint errors. You can see
an example of a "two-tailed" Canadian cent, and read about them he
http://www.minterrornews.com/issue6.pdf

According to Mike Beyers (the author of the article), there are about 30
such authenticated examples of such "two-headed" or "two-tailed" coins, and
only 3 of them are US coins. Because they are unique examples, they fetch
quite a price tag (the article also cites a recent sale of 80K for one of
them).

Here is an incredible set of authenticated "two-tailed" Euros!
http://www.minterrornews.com/issue2.pdf

The "other side" of the story is that "two-headed" or "two-tailed" coins are
"manufactured" and widely sold as novelty coins - sometimes called magician
coins.

Here is an example:
http://img50.exs.cx/img50/6541/noveltycoin.jpg

To make a long story short: There are very few genuine mint errors of this
kind, and a ton of fakes. Odds are that your friend has an example of the
latter. Look for a seam on the side (where two halves were stuck together)
or a seam on the face of one side (where the second tail was inlaid).

zax

"Pfeister" wrote in message
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A co-worker showed me a wheat back penny that was "tails" on both sides.
The one side looked perfect but the other side was a little messed up,
especially around the edge. The appears to be no evidence that there was
ever a bust of Lincoln on the coin. I am new to this group and am only an
amateur coin collector, but I thought that this type of error was
impossible. Anybody ever heard of an error coin like this ? I hope to
get
ahold of the coin and try to take some close-up photographs of it. So
without seeing it, what do you think ? Is it a fake ? That is my
guess.
If it's not fake, any ideas what it would be worth ? THANKS in advance.
To personally reply : Remove PANTS, from the email address.

"zax" wrote in message
...
Such "two-tailed" coins *do* exist as legitimate mint errors. You can see
an example of a "two-tailed" Canadian cent, and read about them he
http://www.minterrornews.com/issue6.pdf

According to Mike Beyers (the author of the article), there are about 30
such authenticated examples of such "two-headed" or "two-tailed" coins,
and
only 3 of them are US coins. Because they are unique examples, they fetch
quite a price tag (the article also cites a recent sale of 80K for one of
them).

What happens is one coin gets stuck on the striking die, goes up and the
next blank comes in and gets hit with the reverse of the stuck coin which
leaves and incused impression on the obverse on the next coin. It looks like
a bottle cap so that's where they get 'die-cap' from. "Pfeister" says this
one "looked perfect but the other side was a little messed up,
especially around the edge
Could be a seam because those die caps look really messed up.
Great find if it is a die cap--just about mathematically impossible to find
one.



Here is an incredible set of authenticated "two-tailed" Euros!
http://www.minterrornews.com/issue2.pdf

The "other side" of the story is that "two-headed" or "two-tailed" coins
are
"manufactured" and widely sold as novelty coins - sometimes called
magician
coins.

Here is an example:
http://img50.exs.cx/img50/6541/noveltycoin.jpg

To make a long story short: There are very few genuine mint errors of this
kind, and a ton of fakes. Odds are that your friend has an example of the
latter. Look for a seam on the side (where two halves were stuck
together)
or a seam on the face of one side (where the second tail was inlaid).

zax

"Pfeister" wrote in message
...
A co-worker showed me a wheat back penny that was "tails" on both sides.
The one side looked perfect but the other side was a little messed up,
especially around the edge. The appears to be no evidence that there
was
ever a bust of Lincoln on the coin. I am new to this group and am only
an
amateur coin collector, but I thought that this type of error was
impossible. Anybody ever heard of an error coin like this ? I hope to
get
ahold of the coin and try to take some close-up photographs of it. So
without seeing it, what do you think ? Is it a fake ? That is my
guess.
If it's not fake, any ideas what it would be worth ? THANKS in
advance.
To personally reply : Remove PANTS, from the email address.

"B-b" wrote in message link.net...
"zax" wrote in message
...
Such "two-tailed" coins *do* exist as legitimate mint errors. You can see
an example of a "two-tailed" Canadian cent, and read about them he
http://www.minterrornews.com/issue6.pdf

According to Mike Beyers (the author of the article), there are about 30
such authenticated examples of such "two-headed" or "two-tailed" coins,
and
only 3 of them are US coins. Because they are unique examples, they fetch
quite a price tag (the article also cites a recent sale of 80K for one of
them).

What happens is one coin gets stuck on the striking die, goes up and the
next blank comes in and gets hit with the reverse of the stuck coin which
leaves and incused impression on the obverse on the next coin. It looks like
a bottle cap so that's where they get 'die-cap' from. "Pfeister" says this
one "looked perfect but the other side was a little messed up,
especially around the edge
Could be a seam because those die caps look really messed up.
Great find if it is a die cap--just about mathematically impossible to find
one.



Here is an incredible set of authenticated "two-tailed" Euros!
http://www.minterrornews.com/issue2.pdf

The "other side" of the story is that "two-headed" or "two-tailed" coins
are
"manufactured" and widely sold as novelty coins - sometimes called
magician
coins.

Here is an example:
http://img50.exs.cx/img50/6541/noveltycoin.jpg

To make a long story short: There are very few genuine mint errors of this
kind, and a ton of fakes. Odds are that your friend has an example of the
latter. Look for a seam on the side (where two halves were stuck
together)
or a seam on the face of one side (where the second tail was inlaid).

zax

There are no genuine mint errors of this kind. A die cap will have
either the reverse or obverse in perfect condition with the bottle cap
effect. The other side will be there but distorted from being struck
so many times by the next blanks. It is possible to have 2 reverses
mixed with obverses on one side if a minted coin somehow gets back
into the process.

David

"David" wrote in message
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"B-b" wrote in message
link.net...
"zax" wrote in message
...
Such "two-tailed" coins *do* exist as legitimate mint errors. You can
see
an example of a "two-tailed" Canadian cent, and read about them he
http://www.minterrornews.com/issue6.pdf

According to Mike Beyers (the author of the article), there are about
30
such authenticated examples of such "two-headed" or "two-tailed"
coins,
and
only 3 of them are US coins. Because they are unique examples, they
fetch
quite a price tag (the article also cites a recent sale of 80K for one
of
them).

What happens is one coin gets stuck on the striking die, goes up and the
next blank comes in and gets hit with the reverse of the stuck coin
which
leaves and incused impression on the obverse on the next coin. It looks
like
a bottle cap so that's where they get 'die-cap' from. "Pfeister" says
this
one "looked perfect but the other side was a little messed up,
especially around the edge
Could be a seam because those die caps look really messed up.
Great find if it is a die cap--just about mathematically impossible to
find
one.



Here is an incredible set of authenticated "two-tailed" Euros!
http://www.minterrornews.com/issue2.pdf

The "other side" of the story is that "two-headed" or "two-tailed"
coins
are
"manufactured" and widely sold as novelty coins - sometimes called
magician
coins.

Here is an example:
http://img50.exs.cx/img50/6541/noveltycoin.jpg

To make a long story short: There are very few genuine mint errors of
this
kind, and a ton of fakes. Odds are that your friend has an example of
the
latter. Look for a seam on the side (where two halves were stuck
together)
or a seam on the face of one side (where the second tail was inlaid).

zax

There are no genuine mint errors of this kind. A die cap will have
either the reverse or obverse in perfect condition with the bottle cap
effect. The other side will be there but distorted from being struck
so many times by the next blanks. It is possible to have 2 reverses
mixed with obverses on one side if a minted coin somehow gets back
into the process.

David

Both links illustrate coins that have been struck with two reverse dies. In
both cases, they have been authenticated (PCGS for the Canadian cent and
ANACS for the set of Euros). In addition to being struck with two reverse
dies, the Canadian cent is also a die cap error.

zax