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Old July 8th 03, 04:30 PM
J. A. Mc.
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:42:32 +0000 (UTC), "Nigel"
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J. A. Mc. wrote in message
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On 07 Jul 2003 19:52:05 GMT, unity (DBoyd001) found
these unused words floating about:

Hope this winning bidder looked at the terms.....$5.00 Handling for EACH
auction won!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2938575759

My first complain would be the description as "F-XF"! Then he

describes
it as poor centering! Would this stamp be classed "Good" at best or am I
missing something?
Then there is the $5 handling charge-- EACH AUCTION, then he

admonishes to
bid accordingly. I'd bid.. not at all with those sort of material and

terms.
I wonder how many repeat buyers he gets.
I can picture that the $5 handling charge would ensure delivery to

the
buyer in an envelope with a 37c stamp on it (probably not even a

commemorative
either). Since the buyer is also in NY I wouldn't doubt he'll insist on

the
state sales tax be included as well.

The ones I love are those who have to have cashier's checks or USPS
Money Orders for small items ... G

Then there's the UK group that prices in £, demands PayPay in US$ at
their 'exchange rate'. Ehhh, that probably equals PP's surcharges.


What do you mean by group?
I hope you don't find all of us UK sellers so unhelpful.

I list in GB Pounds, as that's where I am, but I'm happy to
take PayPal in GB Pounds, or US Dollars at a flat $1.50
to the Pound with no extra PayPal fee.
I use $1.50 as it's a nice simple exchange rate, even though
it works to your benefit as the true rate is nearer $1.60

I would mention my ebay seller id, but I don't think that's the
done thing in this newsgroup.

Nigel

There seems to be a 'group' of sellers from the UK that have the same
or very similar 'terms'. Perhaps one copied from another. Don't know,
but certainly not -all- UK sellers are in that league, just as not all
US sellers are XX or YY or ZZ!

"Group" implies more than one participant, but never should be
construed as "all".

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Old July 8th 03, 04:38 PM
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:36:18 GMT, Bob Ingraham
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From: J. A. Mc.
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:35:57 -0700
Subject: Always Read the 'Small Print' on Ebay

On 07 Jul 2003 19:52:05 GMT, unity (DBoyd001) found
these unused words floating about:

Hope this winning bidder looked at the terms.....$5.00 Handling for EACH
auction won!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2938575759

My first complain would be the description as "F-XF"! Then he describes
it as poor centering! Would this stamp be classed "Good" at best or am I
missing something?
Then there is the $5 handling charge-- EACH AUCTION, then he admonishes to
bid accordingly. I'd bid.. not at all with those sort of material and terms.
I wonder how many repeat buyers he gets.
I can picture that the $5 handling charge would ensure delivery to the
buyer in an envelope with a 37c stamp on it (probably not even a
commemorative
either). Since the buyer is also in NY I wouldn't doubt he'll insist on the
state sales tax be included as well.


I think this guy subscribes to the improved SCOTT Grading System.

I think it runs: F, VF, XVF, XF, VXF, NS, S, VS, XS, VXS. BSEG


What happened to VG -- which always struck me as being dumb in the extreme.
What is "Very Good" about a stamp that has perfs cutting into the design?


It was a TIC response Bob! SCOTT seems to feel that the truly average
copy should be called VF. So in order to 'grade' for price, dealers
are popping 'extra' grade steps. I was just taking the "Mickey" out of
the whole silly process.

If it's an average copy (bell curve of the issue) then it should be
called "AVG." Very Fine should imply a copy that's well above the
usual and nearly a perfect item. "Superb" or "Gem" would be used only
for one 1 in 10,000 copies - if that !

Unfortunately the yuppies can't stand the idea of being/having an
'average' anything so we have to create a new vocabulary to describe
things. This is the "Feel Good" period where plain facts aren't
wanted.

See my post to Tracy about 'dual' grading.

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Old July 8th 03, 04:44 PM
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:35:36 GMT, (Tracy
Barber) found these unused words floating about:

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:35:57 -0700, J. A. Mc.
wrote:

On 07 Jul 2003 19:52:05 GMT,
unity (DBoyd001) found
these unused words floating about:

Hope this winning bidder looked at the terms.....$5.00 Handling for EACH
auction won!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2938575759

My first complain would be the description as "F-XF"! Then he describes
it as poor centering! Would this stamp be classed "Good" at best or am I
missing something?
Then there is the $5 handling charge-- EACH AUCTION, then he admonishes to
bid accordingly. I'd bid.. not at all with those sort of material and terms.
I wonder how many repeat buyers he gets.
I can picture that the $5 handling charge would ensure delivery to the
buyer in an envelope with a 37c stamp on it (probably not even a commemorative
either). Since the buyer is also in NY I wouldn't doubt he'll insist on the
state sales tax be included as well.


I think this guy subscribes to the improved SCOTT Grading System.

I think it runs: F, VF, XVF, XF, VXF, NS, S, VS, XS, VXS. BSEG


What's "S" - Sicko? :^P

NS must be Nutso.

VXS must be Very Extremely Sick.

I've been putting together auctions for a local dealer for over 3
years now and we've not gone past XF, although the material was indeed
"Extra Fine". To me, that's the top of the food chain. No better
than that, unless it just rolled off the printing press, was dried and
not handled by ham-fisted postal workers.

But, noticing your Big "sick" Evil Grin, we'll let you slide this
time! :^P

Tracy Barber


"S" - Superb ... you'll find it fairly often now, righ up there with
"Gem" or "PEEEEEEERFEEEEECT!" G

Thankfully most times there's an image, so I don't have to believe the
seller's overgrading to meet SCOTT's VF = Avg. pricing.
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Old July 8th 03, 05:24 PM
TC
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:00:22 GMT, Bob Ingraham
wrote:


Oh, and by the way, about that stamp on eBay: isn't that a revenue cancel? I
don't think anyone has mentioned that. Or am I wrong?


Aha! Lessee... which stamp, Bob? The entire box or what?


This one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2938575759

Bob


Looks like a Registered Mail cancel to me.

AFAIK postage stamps were not generally used
for revenue purposes in the USA.

Blair



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Old July 8th 03, 06:01 PM
Tracy Barber
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:25:42 -0700, J. A. Mc.
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:29:40 GMT, (Tracy
Barber) found these unused words floating about:

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:07:12 -0400, "Doug Spade"
wrote:


"Tracy Barber" wrote in message
...


snip

Jumping from F to XF is a REAL red
light. It goes F - VF - XF. It can never be F and XF at the same
time. :^)


While I don't condone it (and don't agree with it), I've seen some stamps
being sold by well-known names in the industry described as "Ave-XF" with
the "justification" being that it was extremely well-centered on three
sides, with perfs cutting well into the design on the fourth side. Then
again, I've also seen stamps described as F-VF that I would consider
outstandingly (although admittedly with narrow margins) well-centered.


Some issues are only what you describe in scenario 1. I surely
wouldn't consider it XF though. Maybe VF.

A stamp can border on 2 grade levels but cannot skip a grade level,
like your Avg / XF example. Is it averagely XF - which has to be an
oxymoron - or XF average? It doesn't make any sense. Sounds like
someone wants to build up a description for it.

The 2nd scenario lends itself to the margin issue. XF stamps usually
have a "decent" margin, unles they were all close cropped stamps and
didn't have much space between them when printed. That's an issue by
issue check, not a blanket statement. That's why the drop in
condition to VF. A nice example to keep, for sure!

Tracy Barber


Frankly I'd love to see a 'dual' grade ... letters A, F, VF, S for
physical condition, then a "-1" to "-5" for centering.

E.G.: A sound stamp with clean full perfs, no efects, but slightly off
center ... VF-3
-or- a stamp with small faults but perfect centering ... A-5


OK, now that makes more sense then trying to combine 2 different grade
words together.

Tracy Barber
 




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