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Old July 15th 06, 09:26 PM posted to alt.conspiracy.new-world-order,rec.collecting.paper-money,alt.conspiracy,uk.finance,uk.legal
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Default All banknotes to have a 2D barcode?

"GB" wrote in message news:44b8c6b7$0$5221

There are good reasons for not confiscating money from an innocent end
user simply because the serial no is on a list of stolen notes. There are
still nearly 30 million pounds of stolen notes missing from the big
robbery in Essex a few months go, and that's just one robbery. The grand
total must be much higher. Commerce would grind to a halt if everybody had
to check each note against a database of stolen ones.


The bad would drive out the good?

Any instance of creating uncertainty or doubt is bad for a currency, modern
currencies are supported by nothing other than trust, they are merely bits
of paper to which the general public attribute 'value'. There is the
conceit, is a stolen note any different to what the BoE prints for itself
above the growth rate of the economy? Money supply in general is in double
digits year on year, we all pay for this hidden inflation eventually,
regardless of its source.


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Old July 15th 06, 09:28 PM posted to alt.conspiracy.new-world-order,rec.collecting.paper-money,alt.conspiracy,uk.finance,uk.legal
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"Dave" wrote in message

Apparently PDF417 can store 500 characters per square inch (I'm not an
expert in this area, though)


And when it's tattered and ripped?


  #13  
Old July 15th 06, 10:43 PM posted to alt.conspiracy.new-world-order,rec.collecting.paper-money,alt.conspiracy,uk.finance,uk.legal
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:26:23 +0100, Virgils Ghost wrote:

"GB" wrote in message news:44b8c6b7$0$5221

There are good reasons for not confiscating money from an innocent end
user simply because the serial no is on a list of stolen notes. There are
still nearly 30 million pounds of stolen notes missing from the big
robbery in Essex a few months go, and that's just one robbery. The grand
total must be much higher. Commerce would grind to a halt if everybody had
to check each note against a database of stolen ones.


The bad would drive out the good?

Any instance of creating uncertainty or doubt is bad for a currency, modern
currencies are supported by nothing other than trust, they are merely bits
of paper to which the general public attribute 'value'. There is the
conceit, is a stolen note any different to what the BoE prints for itself
above the growth rate of the economy? Money supply in general is in double
digits year on year, we all pay for this hidden inflation eventually,
regardless of its source.


Agreed.

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Old July 15th 06, 10:44 PM posted to alt.conspiracy.new-world-order,rec.collecting.paper-money,alt.conspiracy,uk.finance,uk.legal
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:21:59 +0100, Virgils Ghost wrote:

The ECB are looking into RFID, I think it should have been in place by now.

However, given the growth in credit and debit card transactions, which have
overtaken cash payments in the UK, is there much point? Banks dislike cash,
there are security risks, reserve issues and the FRB system leaves them
exposed to theoretical runs and credit crunches. The banks love the ability
to generate liquidity for credit card transactions and all the associated
merchant fees.

Does paper money have much of a future? Enplanting notes with RFID chips is
an obvious bridge technology, government would certainly like to track all
possible transactions.


The only time I ever use cash is if I've been given some and wish to use it up. Even the post office accepts a debit card.

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Old July 15th 06, 11:03 PM posted to alt.conspiracy.new-world-order,rec.collecting.paper-money,alt.conspiracy,uk.finance,uk.legal
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"Virgils Ghost" wrote in message
m...
"Dave" wrote in message

Apparently PDF417 can store 500 characters per square inch (I'm not

an
expert in this area, though)


And when it's tattered and ripped?



PDF 417 only requires a small percentage of the coverage area to be able
to read the entire code. It has excellent redundancy. Depending on the
amount of information stored on the barcode, you can tear a PDF 417 into
3 pieces and stand a good chance of reading the information. If it was
just storing currency serial numbers, there wouldn't be a problem at
all.

PDF417 barcodes can store up to 2710 characters.


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Old July 16th 06, 02:49 AM posted to alt.conspiracy.new-world-order,rec.collecting.paper-money,alt.conspiracy,uk.finance,uk.legal
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Default All banknotes to have a 2D barcode?

In article "Virgils Ghost" writes:
However, given the growth in credit and debit card transactions, which have
overtaken cash payments in the UK, is there much point? Banks dislike cash,
there are security risks, reserve issues and the FRB system leaves them
exposed to theoretical runs and credit crunches.


The reason banks do not like cash is that there is no revenue for them.
With each debit card transaction the bank will receive money. With each
credit card transaction the bank will receive money. In the Netherlands
a common debit card transaction requires a fee of about 30 cents from the
seller. A credit card transaction requires a fee of 3 or 4 % of the amount.

The banks love the ability
to generate liquidity for credit card transactions and all the associated
merchant fees.


Yes, of course, the merchant fee is their income (in addition to the fee the
credit card holder already pays). But how will the merchant react if the
number of credit card and debit card payments increases? Right, he will
increase the price. Why are banks not willing that merchants charge
the cost of the transaction to the client?

In the Netherlands the banks just announced that they wanted statements at
a till like "for amounts under EUR 30 you pay an additional 30 cents" to
be removed. That is not going to happen, not when the markup for the
merchants on some articles can be as low as 25 cents (and the transaction
cost for debit card payment is 30 cents).
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Old July 16th 06, 01:15 PM posted to rec.collecting.paper-money
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"GB" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi,

As an interim step to total electronicization of money I believe that
2D barcodes on banknotes should uniquely sign the note, so any imaging
network device could tell if the bit of paper was a duplicate, and help
tracking. A non-networked device should be able to check the
signature, but not do real-time tracking. If your money was stolen you
should be able to receive your stolen property when it was handed into
a bank. (Or is ownership of banknotes lost upon theft? - uk.legal)


In principle, there is nothing to stop you writing down the serial nos of
all your bank notes in case they are stolen. Nobody does, though. Whilst
bar codes would make it easier, I am sure that OCR technology can easily
cope with reading existing serial nos.

There are good reasons for not confiscating money from an innocent end

user
simply because the serial no is on a list of stolen notes. There are still
nearly 30 million pounds of stolen notes missing from the big robbery in
Essex a few months go, and that's just one robbery. The grand total must

be
much higher. Commerce would grind to a halt if everybody had to check each
note against a database of stolen ones.


OCR technology is a joke. There's absolutely no_way a circulated note of any
kind could ever be OCR'd or even scanned in by a bar code reader.


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Old July 16th 06, 01:59 PM posted to alt.conspiracy.new-world-order,rec.collecting.paper-money,alt.conspiracy,uk.finance,uk.legal
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:49:59 +0100, Dik T. Winter wrote:

In article "Virgils Ghost" writes:
However, given the growth in credit and debit card transactions, which have
overtaken cash payments in the UK, is there much point? Banks dislike cash,
there are security risks, reserve issues and the FRB system leaves them
exposed to theoretical runs and credit crunches.


The reason banks do not like cash is that there is no revenue for them.
With each debit card transaction the bank will receive money. With each
credit card transaction the bank will receive money. In the Netherlands
a common debit card transaction requires a fee of about 30 cents from the
seller. A credit card transaction requires a fee of 3 or 4 % of the amount.


AFAIK in the UK debit card transactions are free. Credit cards (Visa and Mastercard) are 2.5%. American Express is higher, something like 4%.

The banks love the ability
to generate liquidity for credit card transactions and all the associated
merchant fees.


Yes, of course, the merchant fee is their income (in addition to the fee the
credit card holder already pays).


All credit cards in the UK are free. You only pay money in interest if you don't pay the full amount back each month. They started introducing a £10 a year charge a while back, but people voted with their feet.

But how will the merchant react if the
number of credit card and debit card payments increases? Right, he will
increase the price. Why are banks not willing that merchants charge
the cost of the transaction to the client?
In the Netherlands the banks just announced that they wanted statements at
a till like "for amounts under EUR 30 you pay an additional 30 cents" to
be removed. That is not going to happen, not when the markup for the
merchants on some articles can be as low as 25 cents (and the transaction
cost for debit card payment is 30 cents).


Only small shops seem to charge for using cards here. Large shops realise that most people use cards, so they just shove the fee inside the cost of the goods.

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Old July 16th 06, 03:04 PM posted to rec.collecting.paper-money
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"bri" wrote in message
.net...

"GB" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi,

As an interim step to total electronicization of money I believe that
2D barcodes on banknotes should uniquely sign the note, so any imaging
network device could tell if the bit of paper was a duplicate, and help
tracking. A non-networked device should be able to check the
signature, but not do real-time tracking. If your money was stolen you
should be able to receive your stolen property when it was handed into
a bank. (Or is ownership of banknotes lost upon theft? - uk.legal)


In principle, there is nothing to stop you writing down the serial nos of
all your bank notes in case they are stolen. Nobody does, though. Whilst
bar codes would make it easier, I am sure that OCR technology can easily
cope with reading existing serial nos.

There are good reasons for not confiscating money from an innocent end

user
simply because the serial no is on a list of stolen notes. There are
still
nearly 30 million pounds of stolen notes missing from the big robbery in
Essex a few months go, and that's just one robbery. The grand total must

be
much higher. Commerce would grind to a halt if everybody had to check
each
note against a database of stolen ones.


OCR technology is a joke. There's absolutely no_way a circulated note of
any
kind could ever be OCR'd or even scanned in by a bar code reader.



If it's possible to have a camera read a car number plate that may be
travelling at 100 mph I find it difficult to accept that a static note would
be difficult to read. Billy


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Old July 16th 06, 03:24 PM posted to alt.conspiracy.new-world-order,rec.collecting.paper-money,alt.conspiracy,uk.finance,uk.legal
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Dave wrote:
Sorry, I just thought that RDIF tags could have a similar function- if
they could be given a unique signiature.


RDIF tags? Have never heard of them. Could you elaborate?

Joe R.
 




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