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Fakes and Terrorism (Again)
Here is a recent article from CNN Money.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/26/news/terror_knockoffs/ In my Numismatic Theater presentation on "Fakes: Threat or Menace?" at the ANA Convention in Pittsburgh 2004, I delivered other information like this, also from Interpol and Congressional testimony. According to an article in the March 2004 CELATOR, fake ancient coins have been salted into so-called "bulk lots" or "uncleaned lots." The basic problem is that all illegal activities are pushed into the same channels. People who smuggle cigarettes in one direction, smuggle guns in another. This has little to do with "cigarettes" or "guns" in themselves. Anyone who buys or sells fake coins is sleeping with dogs and ultimately will wake up with fleas. Michael E. Marotta |
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Michael E. Marotta preaches:
The basic problem is that all illegal activities are pushed into the same channels. People who smuggle cigarettes in one direction, smuggle guns in another. Sure, Mike. And everyone who eats a peanut will die of congestive heart failure. Regards, Tom |
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On 27 May 2005 09:02:22 -0700, "Mike Marotta"
wrote: The basic problem is that all illegal activities are pushed into the same channels. People who smuggle cigarettes in one direction, smuggle guns in another. This has little to do with "cigarettes" or "guns" in themselves. Anyone who buys or sells fake coins is sleeping with dogs and ultimately will wake up with fleas. You're again comparing apples and orange seeds. You're again failing to distinguish buying counterfeit items sold as authentic, which the article you linked to talked about (knockoff handbags, T-shirts and other accessories sold on the street and at flea markets), and counterfeit items sold as counterfeit. This, again, as to do with the money trail. Where is the money going? With the former, with counterfeits sold as authentic, the money is going to those who are doing the cheating. These can be petty crooks or terrorist cells. On the other hand, when you buy a counterfeit coin from someone who had gotten cheated with it by buying it as authentic, who's willing to sell it for a small sum of money (or even donate it), that money isn't going to the person or persons who perpetuated the scam. It's going to the person who was cheated and who wants to play a part in the effort to educate consumers about counterfeit fraud. Such as transaction doesn't support terrorism or the scams of terrorists. It does the exact opposite by helping to prevent the sale of counterfeits as authentic in the future. Again. -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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Reid wrote: You're again comparing apples and orange seeds. snip
Aren't you glad you missed Michael's speech at the Pittsburgh convention : ) |
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 14:40:37 -0400, Reid Goldsborough
wrote: On the other hand, when you buy a counterfeit coin from someone who had gotten cheated with it by buying it as authentic, who's willing to sell it for a small sum of money (or even donate it), that money isn't going to the person or persons who perpetuated the scam. It's going to the person who was cheated and who wants to play a part in the effort to educate consumers about counterfeit fraud. Such as transaction doesn't support terrorism or the scams of terrorists. It does the exact opposite by helping to prevent the sale of counterfeits as authentic in the future. Hmm...and you had the nads to accuse me of using the "ends justify the means" argument. This is one of the reasons why I chuckled when you made that accusation. Need I mention your wife's eBay account again? |
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Mike Marotta wrote:
Here is a recent article from CNN Money. http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/26/news/terror_knockoffs/ In my Numismatic Theater presentation on "Fakes: Threat or Menace?" at the ANA Convention in Pittsburgh 2004, I delivered other information like this, also from Interpol and Congressional testimony. According to an article in the March 2004 CELATOR, fake ancient coins have been salted into so-called "bulk lots" or "uncleaned lots." The basic problem is that all illegal activities are pushed into the same channels. People who smuggle cigarettes in one direction, smuggle guns in another. This has little to do with "cigarettes" or "guns" in themselves. Anyone who buys or sells fake coins is sleeping with dogs and ultimately will wake up with fleas. Michael E. Marotta Michael, you obviously wish our small community to embrace your brand of numismatic evangelism as if it were the one true path. As an empirical observation, the people who inhabit rcc tend to have sufficient intellectual capacity to make informed and reasoned judgements for themselves. This fire and brimstone approach of yours serves more to paint a picture of you as being somewhat `off planet' than it does to lambast your intended targets. I hasten to add that I have a growing collection of fakes / replicas / and counterfeits (some marked, some not). So far, it has not entailed me having to sleep with dogs, and I can happily report that I remain in a flea free zone. Ian |
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 20:44:43 GMT, Ian
wrote: Michael, you obviously wish our small community to embrace your brand of numismatic evangelism as if it were the one true path. Evangelism is the word, all write. And sanctimonious, hypocritical, puritanical ... what else have I missed? Phil, help me out here. As I've said before, this all is a very curious phenomenon in numismatics, this demand that others behave according to the strictest interpretations of all laws and codes of conduct. It has to do, I believe, with the deception that's always been a part of the world of numismatics and the larger world of money. And when you combine it with the behavior of the people who are making these demands, behavior that's often far less than ethical, the phenomenon becomes even more curious. I hasten to add that I have a growing collection of fakes / replicas / and counterfeits (some marked, some not). So far, it has not entailed me having to sleep with dogs, and I can happily report that I remain in a flea free zone. Whoever came up with the proverb about sleeping with dogs never owned one. g -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:21:41 GMT, "Nick Knight"
wrote: I know *I* am. Well, "missed" is not quite the proper word ... "chose to skip" would be more appropriate. Even with a twit/killfile, I see too much of his egotistical nonsense here. What, I should go listen to him to prove further he's wacked? Not necessary, and much better uses of convention time are always available. I think two people showed up to that presentation, and both, alas, were infested with fleas. -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:21:41 GMT, "Nick Knight" wrote: I know *I* am. Well, "missed" is not quite the proper word ... "chose to skip" would be more appropriate. Even with a twit/killfile, snip noise I think two people showed up to that presentation, and both, alas, were infested with fleas. -- Email: reidgold http://mendosus.com/****i.html http://mendosus.com/glomthis.html http://mendosus.com/clueless.html http://mendosus.com/reidisms.html http://mendosus.com/anagrams.html |
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