Obscure titles in way-too-broad topics

When I was quite young, my cousin had an antique Cinderella
book that I was fascinated by. I was told by my mother to
only handle it very, very carefully, if at all.

So in my current attempt to track down anything and everything
book-wise that I might be remotely interested in (I'm supposed
to be writing a dissertation; isn't that the way?) I've been
trying to figure out what search terms to use. "Cinderella"
is not exactly an obscure title, unfortunately.

I know that the one I'm looking for is at least moderately old.
I probably was enamoured of it around 1965, and it was in pretty
fragile condition. It was very interesting for two reasons:
one was the dark blue-green illustrations (for all I know, it
had no words; I don't remember any but I was only about 5 years
old) that were in a late 1700's style: those tall absurd white
wigs, and wide skirts (perhaps with those huge paniers, but I'm
not sure on that one). The illustrations outside the castle
ball in the dark blue-green garden at night were cool.

More interesting, though, was that this was a sort of a pop-
up or fold-out book. The entire thing could be opened and the
covers tied back on each other (I think there were little
ribbons for this), so that the book was a 360 degree accordian
or fan, with each scene displayed as you turned the book. The
scenes had cutout portions that stood forward of the rest of
the picture. I have this vague idea that there was also a
theatrical theme, as though the book depicted the whole as if
it were being acted out on a stage. But I may be misremembering
that.

I haven't a clue what words to use for searching. I know this
isn't Disney, so that's a start I guess. "Pop-up" narrows the
search some, but I'm not sure that someone listing this book
would use that word, and it does nothing to ease up on the huge
amount of modern popup Cinderella books.

Anyone have any ideas for how I'd go about searching? I wish
I had an author, or date, or illustrator, or publisher.
Anything.

Is there a particular term for books that open and display the
way this one did? Or any other term anyone can think of that
I could use in a search?

-Allison

"Allison Turner-" wrote in message
...
When I was quite young, my cousin had an antique Cinderella
book that I was fascinated by. I was told by my mother to
only handle it very, very carefully, if at all.

So in my current attempt to track down anything and everything
book-wise that I might be remotely interested in (I'm supposed
to be writing a dissertation; isn't that the way?) I've been
trying to figure out what search terms to use. "Cinderella"
is not exactly an obscure title, unfortunately.

I know that the one I'm looking for is at least moderately old.
I probably was enamoured of it around 1965, and it was in pretty
fragile condition. It was very interesting for two reasons:
one was the dark blue-green illustrations (for all I know, it
had no words; I don't remember any but I was only about 5 years
old) that were in a late 1700's style: those tall absurd white
wigs, and wide skirts (perhaps with those huge paniers, but I'm
not sure on that one). The illustrations outside the castle
ball in the dark blue-green garden at night were cool.

More interesting, though, was that this was a sort of a pop-
up or fold-out book. The entire thing could be opened and the
covers tied back on each other (I think there were little
ribbons for this), so that the book was a 360 degree accordian
or fan, with each scene displayed as you turned the book. The
scenes had cutout portions that stood forward of the rest of
the picture. I have this vague idea that there was also a
theatrical theme, as though the book depicted the whole as if
it were being acted out on a stage. But I may be misremembering
that.

I haven't a clue what words to use for searching. I know this
isn't Disney, so that's a start I guess. "Pop-up" narrows the
search some, but I'm not sure that someone listing this book
would use that word, and it does nothing to ease up on the huge
amount of modern popup Cinderella books.

Anyone have any ideas for how I'd go about searching? I wish
I had an author, or date, or illustrator, or publisher.
Anything.

Is there a particular term for books that open and display the
way this one did? Or any other term anyone can think of that
I could use in a search?

-Allison

Experimenting with addall.com/used:

Fan:
http://snipurl.com/fwc0
Look at the first listing.....????

Cut-out:
http://snipurl.com/fwbv

Accordian:
No results

Kris

on Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:45:50 GMT, Kris Baker stated:


"Allison Turner-" wrote in message
...
When I was quite young, my cousin had an antique Cinderella
book that I was fascinated by. I was told by my mother to
only handle it very, very carefully, if at all.
[...]
Is there a particular term for books that open and display the
way this one did? Or any other term anyone can think of that
I could use in a search?

-Allison

Experimenting with addall.com/used:

Fan:
http://snipurl.com/fwc0
Look at the first listing.....????

Not bad - much closer to the one I'm looking for than most
of the things my searches dredge up, anyway. But it's not
it. This one apparently has that multilayer honeycomb
tissue paper; the one I'm looking for is simpler with
stiffer paper, probably like most pop-up books; no tissue
paper and no honey-comb pleats. And in dark blues and
greens and purples, at least for some of the images. Plus
the one I'm looking for has the absurd Marie Antoinette
outfits.

While we're on that particular item, though, I notice that
the seller has an actual *picture* of the book available.
I generally only see that on ebay. Is that a feature of
Antiqbook that other services don't provide? I'd really
like to see it more often.


Cut-out:
http://snipurl.com/fwbv

Not there, neither.

(unrelated tangent: snipurl.com seems to be similar
to tinyurl.com; useful services, I must say.)

Accordian:
No results


Anyone else got any ideas?

Thanks,

-Allison

I don't suppose this is the book you are after, as the publication
details are much too late. But it is a pop-up book, and it does open
into a 360-degree fan, and it is just possible, I suppose, that it is
an unacknowledged reprint of an earlier work.

http://rarebooksinjapan.com/images/cinderella.jif
http://rarebooksinjapan.com/images/cinders.jif

John
http://rarebooksinjapan.com

I did think it could be one of the early Kubasta pop-ups published by
Bancroft which have been reprinted numerous times but not sure about
the carousel theme.

I did discover this completed item on ebay:

http://tinyurl.com/b77j8

Stan
Giltedge Books

Stan wrote:

I did discover this completed item on ebay:


http://tinyurl.com/b77j8
_______________________

The link doesn't seem to work.

John
http://rarebooksinjapan.com

on Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:20:13 +0100, michael adams stated:


"Allison Turner-" wrote in message
...
When I was quite young, my cousin had an antique Cinderella
book that I was fascinated by. I was told by my mother to
only handle it very, very carefully, if at all.


So in my current attempt to track down anything and everything
book-wise that I might be remotely interested in (I'm supposed
to be writing a dissertation; isn't that the way?) I've been
trying to figure out what search terms to use. "Cinderella"
is not exactly an obscure title, unfortunately.

I know that the one I'm looking for is at least moderately old.
I probably was enamoured of it around 1965, and it was in pretty
fragile condition. It was very interesting for two reasons:
one was the dark blue-green illustrations (for all I know, it
had no words; I don't remember any but I was only about 5 years
old) that were in a late 1700's style: those tall absurd white
wigs, and wide skirts (perhaps with those huge paniers, but I'm
not sure on that one). The illustrations outside the castle
ball in the dark blue-green garden at night were cool.

...

ABE throws up two Cinderellas by Dean and Sons


A facsimile Pantomime Toy Book - this one from 1982 but maybe there
were earlier Dean Facsimiles of this edition - with five scenes

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Cinderella with Five Set Scenes and Nine Trick Changes.
DEAN & SON]
Bookseller: Louella Kerr Books
(Glebe Sydney, NSW, Australia) [Shipping Rates & Speeds] Price: US$ 51.51
[Convert Currency]
Book Description: Toronto, 1982: coloured illustrations; 4to, pictorial
wrappers. Mint in slip case. Facsimile of the original Pantomime Toy Book,
reproduced from the Osborne Collection of Early Children's Books. Bookseller
Inventory #114066

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And an earlier pop-up book but with apparently only the one pop-up
illustration -

------------------------------------------------------------------
Cinderella
DEAN'S SCENIC SERIES No. 4
Bookseller: Hindsight Books
(Hamilton, New Zealand) [Shipping Rates & Speeds] Price: US$ 100.00
[Convert Currency]
Book Description: No date Dean & Sons London.
(pp5 text) 1 x pop-up col illus lacks back coverf ink inscription has
Dec 9th 1919. Bookseller Inventory #05347

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Dean and Sons specialise in this field from 1880 onwards and another
term used for their books [ according to other ABE listings ]
was "Changing Panoramic Toy Books"

Thanks - "scenic" and "panoramic" would be two good search
terms to try. I haven't found any actual image of the older
Dean & Sons editions except for this 1950 copy on ebay:
http://tinyurl.com/ctshu
which isn't the right book, but from what I can see of the
interior illustrations (not the cover) they might be in the
right style. So I'll keep looking for Dean editions - maybe
one of them is it.

The two ABE hits above don't have images, of course. What
do y'all do to get pictures of books before you buy them, or
are you saavy enough with descriptions so that you don't
need to see the item first? Do booksellers get irritated
by people like me asking for images when they're looking for
a really obscure title that the seller is unlikely to have?


-Allison

on 29 Jun 2005 05:30:55 -0700, stated:

I don't suppose this is the book you are after, as the publication
details are much too late. But it is a pop-up book, and it does open
into a 360-degree fan, and it is just possible, I suppose, that it is
an unacknowledged reprint of an earlier work.

http://rarebooksinjapan.com/images/cinderella.jif
http://rarebooksinjapan.com/images/cinders.jif

Hi John - thanks for supplying the pix! That one isn't
it, unfortunately; the style is too modern and, I think,
too cute and brightly colorful. If I'm remembering right
(and I was only about five years old) the pictures not
only had the costumes of the late 1700s, but were also
done in the artistic style of the era. See, for example,
two portraits found on random web sites of Marie
Antoinette:

http://tinyurl.com/8odfo
http://tinyurl.com/aqq7f

They're closer to what I remember of the Cinderella
images, and not much like children's book illustrations.
It's possible that the scenes in the book I'm searching
for are a bit simplified compared to those, though.

"360-degree fan" is another possible search term - thanks!
The book I'm looking for opens horizontally, though - so
you could set the whole thing up on a table and walk around
it to look at each scene in sequence. Yours appears to be
set up so you could flip down each page, and get a new
scene?


-Allison

on 29 Jun 2005 07:59:14 -0700, stated:

I did think it could be one of the early Kubasta pop-ups published by
Bancroft which have been reprinted numerous times but not sure about
the carousel theme.

I did discover this completed item on ebay:

http://tinyurl.com/b77j8

Cool. Right costumes, but again a modern artistic style,
where I'm looking for something more classic.

You guys are great - this is closer than I've come to
finding the book up to now!

Are any of the early Kubasta publications perhaps done in
LouisXVI style art, or not? I only got three hits on ebay.
Addall has 78 hits (without pictures), with their oldest
being 1959 (at Black Oak Books in Berkeley CA - a wonderful
store!). Were any of the Kubasta books older than this? I
suspect mine was printed in 1950 at the latest. (And more
probably in the 1800s; remember it was very delicate when I
saw it in 1965.)


-Allison

Try this one but unfortunately no pictures -

http://tinyurl.com/b77rx

Stan
Giltedge Books