(RCSD) Danish waves question

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I have recently acquired a single and a vertical pair of a Danish 50 øre
brown of the original 1905 Waves design with the small triangles and the
single colour border around the denomination. I cannot find this particular
stamp listed either in my 2005 Scott or in my 2006 AFA Danmark
Frimærkekatalog. This is definitely not the 50 øre brown (Aug. 1, 1974) of
the second Waves design. Any help identifying appreciated. TIA - PFT.
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Tony Vella, Ottawa, Canada
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I have recently acquired a single and a vertical pair of a Danish 50 øre
brown of the original 1905 Waves design with the small triangles and the
single colour border around the denomination. I cannot find this
particular stamp listed either in my 2005 Scott or in my 2006 AFA Danmark
Frimærkekatalog. This is definitely not the 50 øre brown (Aug. 1, 1974)
of the second Waves design. Any help identifying appreciated. TIA - PFT.

Tony,
On my screen the scan appears in grey colour. That aside, it is likely to be
a fake. The early issue of wavy lines (with hearts) does not have a 50-øre
face value. The highest face value was 20 øre; the colour was blackish-blue.

The early issues (with hearts) exist also as overprints (8/3 øre grey and
7/8 øre grey), and later as "postfærge" [post ferry] (10 øre green and 10
øre brown).

Another detail to look for, is the watermark on the heart issues. If your
stamp is not printed on wmk-paper, it is definitely a fake. I am no
specialist in Danish fakes as such, but they are not uncommon for the very
early issues.

Is the cancellation on your vertical pair more legible?

You might want to consult this link:
http://www.fakebase.dk/default.asp?a...&section=mohle
giving a fair overview (14 pages) of Danish fakes. There is an English
version as well.

The second issue (steel engravings without hearts) first appeared 1933, and
all of these are still valid for postage, although the lowest face value
still for sale at the post office is 25 øre. 50-ore brown is a *very* common
add-up value. That said, you can pick any of these oout of a collection of
mint stamps and use them for postage.

HTH
Mette

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I have recently acquired a single and a vertical pair of a Danish 50 øre
brown of the original 1905 Waves design with the small triangles and the
single colour border around the denomination. I cannot find this
particular stamp listed either in my 2005 Scott or in my 2006 AFA Danmark
Frimærkekatalog. This is definitely not the 50 øre brown (Aug. 1, 1974)
of the second Waves design. Any help identifying appreciated. TIA -
PFT.

Tony,
On my screen the scan appears in grey colour. That aside, it is likely to
be
a fake. The early issue of wavy lines (with hearts) does not have a 50-øre
face value. The highest face value was 20 øre; the colour was
blackish-blue.

The early issues (with hearts) exist also as overprints (8/3 øre grey and
7/8 øre grey), and later as "postfærge" [post ferry] (10 øre green and 10
øre brown).

Another detail to look for, is the watermark on the heart issues. If your
stamp is not printed on wmk-paper, it is definitely a fake. I am no
specialist in Danish fakes as such, but they are not uncommon for the very
early issues.

Is the cancellation on your vertical pair more legible?

You might want to consult this link:
http://www.fakebase.dk/default.asp?a...&section=mohle
giving a fair overview (14 pages) of Danish fakes. There is an English
version as well.

The second issue (steel engravings without hearts) first appeared 1933,
and
all of these are still valid for postage, although the lowest face value
still for sale at the post office is 25 øre. 50-ore brown is a *very*
common
add-up value. That said, you can pick any of these oout of a collection of
mint stamps and use them for postage.

Hi Mette.

Thanks for the reply and the link to the forgeries page. I went in and
looked and the only mention made of the original Waves with hearts is an AFA
185a (10 øre brown) overprinted to make it look like a Parcel Post no. 12a
(Det er påført et falskt overtryk så det kunne gå for at være et
postfærgemærket Afa nr.12a) However, that too comes with a suggested
possibility that it could indeed be a genuine Parcel Post stamp used for
regular postage. Interesting! More and more I am getting to like my Danish
Waves (and Lions)!!! I must also mention that neither my single nor my
vertical pair is watermarked. So fakes they are indeed.
--
Tony Vella, Ottawa, Canada

Hi Tony

The stamp is ok I have it on cover sent by a Danish stamp club.
The stamp is likely too recent to be in any catl. yet.

Nice to see Mette posting again!

Viktor in Hawkesbury, On.

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Hi Tony

The stamp is ok I have it on cover sent by a Danish stamp club.
The stamp is likely too recent to be in any catl. yet.

Nice to see Mette posting again!

How come, Viktor? It's not in Tony's AFA 2006. AFA Standard 2005 doesn't
mention it, and my (latest ?) issue of AFA Special (2002) doesn't list it
either. I still hold it to be fake, because of the missing watermark. On
cover it would be hard to verify that, unless one has a wmk-finder.
(vandmærkesøger - I don't remember the correct word for that)). But, of
course, that doesn't prevent it from having slipped through the mail because
of the obvious similarity with the current 50-øre.

Yes, Thank Heaven, I am slowly coming back to my normal self again.

Mette

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Hi Tony

The stamp is ok I have it on cover sent by a Danish stamp club.
The stamp is likely too recent to be in any catl. yet.

Nice to see Mette posting again!

How come, Viktor? It's not in Tony's AFA 2006. AFA Standard 2005 doesn't
mention it, and my (latest ?) issue of AFA Special (2002) doesn't list it
either. I still hold it to be fake, because of the missing watermark. On
cover it would be hard to verify that, unless one has a wmk-finder.
(vandmærkesøger - I don't remember the correct word for that)). But, of
course, that doesn't prevent it from having slipped through the mail
because of the obvious similarity with the current 50-øre.

Yes, Thank Heaven, I am slowly coming back to my normal self again.


Well, I have good news for both of you (and me too). On October 28, 2005
Post Danmark resurrected the original Waves design and isued five
denominations (with the hearts and single border): 25, 50, 100, 200 and 450,
of which, since yesterday, I only have the 50 øre. I guess by the end of
October 05, AFA 06 was already at the printers because my 06 shows the
August 05 issues as latest.

I think I should be able to get my greedy little hands on one of each of the
new issues since the minimum purchase at PD is still 4.75 kr. Again, thanks
to you both for helping.
--
Tony Vella, Ottawa, Canada

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Well, I have good news for both of you (and me too). On October 28, 2005
Post Danmark resurrected the original Waves design and isued five
denominations (with the hearts and single border): 25, 50, 100, 200 and
450, of which, since yesterday, I only have the 50 øre. I guess by the
end of October 05, AFA 06 was already at the printers because my 06 shows
the August 05 issues as latest.

I was unaware of that, so I stand corrected :-) Will add this to my cat.


I think I should be able to get my greedy little hands on one of each of
the new issues since the minimum purchase at PD is still 4.75 kr. Again,
thanks to you both for helping.

Good luck with your collection :-)
Mette

On Jul 6, 8:42 am, "Tony Vella" wrote:
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I have recently acquired a single and a vertical pair of a Danish 50 øre
brown of the original 1905 Waves design with the small triangles and the
single colour border around the denomination. I cannot find this particular
stamp listed either in my 2005 Scott or in my 2006 AFA Danmark
Frimærkekatalog. This is definitely not the 50 øre brown (Aug. 1, 1974) of
the second Waves design. Any help identifying appreciated. TIA - PFT.
--
Tony Vella, Ottawa, Canadahttp://indian-biographies.shorturl.com



Mette / Tony + group:

Images of the 5 stamps are available at:
http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/search?wn...=2005&month=10

Blair