Tape Player Problem

hi may be but i know for a fact an ac motor deck is more stable and has more
resurve power.



"DeserTBoB" wrote in message
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On 2 May 2005 05:09:21 -0700, "trippingtoo8track"
wrote:

Any knowledgeable tech or 8-tracker will tell you, an AC motor deck is
better. Just to a search in the archives about "ac motor" snip

..and Charlie Nudo, aka trippingtoo8track (among several others) is
HARDLY knowledgeable. He is, in fact, a paranoid delusional with
permanent brain damage caused by excessive THC ingestion over the
years. Save yourself the trouble of trying to figure out his
problems...plonk him today!

Andy wrote:

hi may be but i know for a fact an ac motor deck is more stable and has
more resurve power.

why don't you run a spell check against your post before you push the send
button.
if you would have taken the time & read deserTBobs post (the real deserTBob)
on this subject, you would have found his explanation to be valid & true.

you know, it's one thing to play those decks on a cheap stereo amp & not
notice the speed variations caused by variations in line voltage, but, it
is highly noticable when playing the same said deck on high end audio
equipment & having line voltage variations of 10 to 20 volts. this is very
much a problem in rural & industrial areas in the country. AC Synchronous
motors cannot deal with line voltage variations without losing/gaining
speed.
this is why all of the higher end decks use DC motors. they can be regulated
electronically & keep the speed constant, regardless of the AC line
voltage. try running one of those decks with the AC motors at 90 volts. you
will see what i mean. & yes, i have seen many times the line voltage go
that low.

i do agree that those AC motors are tough & will outlast the life of the
deck. if you connect those decks to a line voltage stablisor, they will
then be considered stable enough for audiophile use.

--
i have an 8 track mind

My other computer is your XP box.

You are 100% correct, an AC motored deck is the epitome of the 8-track
format in players. I recommend Akai 80-81, JVC, Telex.

Sony, Zenith, Magnavox, Ampex are a good second choice if AC motored,
also the Wollensak 8050

On 8 May 2005 06:02:18 -0700, "UNIVERSAL GENIUS"
wrote:

You are 100% correct, an AC motored deck is the epitome of the 8-track
format in players. I recommend Akai 80-81, JVC, Telex.

Sony, Zenith, Magnavox, Ampex are a good second choice if AC motored,
also the Wollensak 8050 snip

....spoken like the true idiot that Charlie Noodles is.

The 8050 was the worst of all the Wollensak models...troublesome
mechanical fast forward mechanism, bad metering...forget about it!
The later, DC motored models, such as the later 8056 and the 8075 were
much better in some respects. Noodles doesn't like DC motors because
a.) he's not a technician and cannot diagnose or fix problems with
them, and b.) he's just a complete idiot.

dB

good point Andy, I've had the best luck with the Wollensak 8050.

I had an 8055 that was a total POS ! wow/flutter like crazy on the
8055

ONLY the 8050 has an AC motor, the other Wollies are gutless POS
machines with a wimpy DC motor that belongs in a cassette deck...

more posts on this to follow

here's an old email from a highly respected tech, who owned the
Wollensaks when they were new- his name is Joe and he used to post here
a lot, until the place was over-run by trolls



----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Nechanicky
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 6:22 PM
Subject: 8 track players

Wollensaks were known for quality, I have owned several, but the only
one that's any good is the original one, the 8050, it has a good AC
motor, and is stable. The later ones used a DC motor and the speed
regulator does not do the job, lots of wow and flultter.. The
electronic speed regulator used is not of the type that maintains
constant torque, it was a over site in manufacturing. The only way out
of the problem is a motor swap from something else, but its like
putting a chevy V8 into a Ford. Unless you are into that sort of thing
I would stay away from the Wollensaks except the 8050. AKAI is built
extremely well, the best of the decks are CR80D, CR81D and the Glass
head model the GXR82 D. These decks will not give you a problem with
any wow or flutter. Realistic are good also and I have owned many,
Just about any early deck made befor 1983 is good, BUT.. if you buy off
ebay or any place else remember most of any deck has been through hell
and back by now, so dont expect any of it to work perfectly when you
get it. Expect to be your own technician on these decks. If you can
find one new in box, your far ahead of the game, but even that may not
mean perfect as some of that stuff may have been returns and just sat
around till now. Players dont eat tapes, what happens is the tape jams
in the case and spills into the deck and gets wound around the capstan.
This problem is not one of the tape deck, but of the tape.
Joe

On 9 May 2005 07:49:58 -0700, "trippingtoo8track"
wrote:


Wollensaks were known for quality, I have owned several, but the only
one that's any good is the original one, the 8050, it has a good AC
motor, and is stable. The later ones used a DC motor and the speed
regulator does not do the job, lots of wow and flultter.. The
electronic speed regulator used is not of the type that maintains
constant torque, it was a over site in manufacturing. snip

"Over site"? This guy's a real winner, too...that's why Noodles likes
doing business with him.

If a tachyservo controlled DC capstan motor in the later Wollensaks
was so bad, how come I can get less than .05% UNWEIGHTED wow and
flutter, using an Ampex TU-40 flutter bridge and a Nortronics AND an
MRL alignment tape? Answer: IT WORKS!

All you have to do is make sure everything is cleaned and PROPERLY
lubricated, and the DC motor Wollensaks will give wow/flutter
performance equal to any Akai...period.

One thing's for certain...have a NEW FRW-9.7 belt at the ready. Any
"slop" in the belt ruins the tachyservo's ability to regulate speed.
I used FRW-10.1 belts and they were JUST a tad too loose, causing
hysteresis problems with speed.

dB

thats becuse you probably arnt smart enuf to use a 300 dollar line
condtioner and a 300 dollar industrual APC UPS to power youre audio system
like i do i NEVER experance problems from line sags or surges.
any one who dosent protect his or her system like i do is asking for
problems
end of story.

"8 tracker from hell" wrote in message
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Andy wrote:

hi may be but i know for a fact an ac motor deck is more stable and has
more resurve power.

why don't you run a spell check against your post before you push the send
button.
if you would have taken the time & read deserTBobs post (the real
deserTBob)
on this subject, you would have found his explanation to be valid & true.

you know, it's one thing to play those decks on a cheap stereo amp & not
notice the speed variations caused by variations in line voltage, but, it
is highly noticable when playing the same said deck on high end audio
equipment & having line voltage variations of 10 to 20 volts. this is very
much a problem in rural & industrial areas in the country. AC Synchronous
motors cannot deal with line voltage variations without losing/gaining
speed.
this is why all of the higher end decks use DC motors. they can be
regulated
electronically & keep the speed constant, regardless of the AC line
voltage. try running one of those decks with the AC motors at 90 volts.
you
will see what i mean. & yes, i have seen many times the line voltage go
that low.

i do agree that those AC motors are tough & will outlast the life of the
deck. if you connect those decks to a line voltage stablisor, they will
then be considered stable enough for audiophile use.

--
i have an 8 track mind

My other computer is your XP box.

Andy wrote:

thats becuse you probably arnt smart enuf to use a 300 dollar line
condtioner and a 300 dollar industrual APC UPS to power youre audio system
like i do i NEVER experance problems from line sags or surges.
any one who dosent protect his or her system like i do is asking for
problems
end of story.


heres the end of the story, you are a uneducated dip****, just like noodles.
you do not know jack **** about electronics or audio engineering.

like i said earlier, the line voltage variations vary depending on what part
of the country your in.
well dumb****, into the kilfile folder you go, you can enjoy your permanent
place there with nudo.


--
i have an 8 track mind

My other computer is your XP box.

Andy wrote:
thats becuse you probably arnt smart enuf to use a 300 dollar line
condtioner and a 300 dollar industrual APC UPS to power youre audio
system
like i do i NEVER experance problems from line sags or surges.
any one who dosent protect his or her system like i do is asking for
problems
end of story.



Andy, that is a good point- the audiophile high end tube amp fellas ALL
use those line voltage conditioners- without it, the cycle rate can be
incorrect. At night the voltage is cleaner than during the day. Smart
move. I get the best sound from my tube system after 10 PM at night.