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A Politically Incorrect Postage Stamp
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:13:42 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote: found these unused words: On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:10:50 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien wrote: Ralphael1 found these unused words: On Oct 7, 5:34*pm, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:02:00 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien wrote: Terry Reedy found these unused words: Sir F. A. Rien wrote: It is now, as most US areas have laws against smoking, they're 'politically' motivated, so ... G! As someone who is suffering the effects of long-ago second-hand smoke and will for the rest of my life, calling the motivation 'political' is not so funny to me. *Tobacco and tobacco smoke are full of poisons and it is 'political' (votes and revenue) that they are not banned. Terry The motivation is definitely political - the anti-smoking groups finally got enough POLITICAL clout to force the actions! There is nearly nothing that happens without a political overtone, in the US anyway! Darn lobbyists, doggone it!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Just in case some people have forgotten, laws are generally passed because people need to be protected from themselves. RtOo Those 'laws' are passed because SOME people think THEY know what's BEST for the rest ... I don't need to be 'protected' from myself. I'm an adult and should have the FREEEDOM to make my own decisions, IF I'm also willing to live with the consequences of such decisions. Therein lies the POLTICAL nature of these laws, too many, after they get in a jam, cry HELP! and expect the rest to come running and fix everything with a pat and a kiss on the forehead. The more laws, the less freedom !!! Yes... and when was the last time George Bush paid you a visit? I have yet to have politicians knocking, although I have received political snail mail responses to petitions sent. They know what's happening in Main Street USA alright. Just not our respective Main Streets. Why would I want Bushy, Bambam or McPain to visit me? They should have work to do, specifically the tasks assigned to them by the constitution and they should NOT be prying in my personal affairs, life or whatever! I don't need them as 'friends', I need them to do the JOB they're PAID to do! BTW, when did Hillarity last visit you? You've missed the point. You stated above that "I don't need to be 'protected' from myself. I'm an adult and should have the FREEEDOM to make my own decisions, IF I'm also willing to live with the consequences of such decisions." But, since you don't want any input into how the Bushman is governing your "lot", you don't want anyone knocking on your door polling you for your decision. Hmmmm... Sir Rien, how does "want your cake and eat it too" sound? By the way, they're doing their jobs - just not for you or me. :^) |
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A Politically Incorrect Postage Stamp
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:13:26 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote: found these unused words: Those 'laws' are passed because SOME people think THEY know what's BEST for the rest ... I don't need to be 'protected' from myself. I'm an adult and should have the FREEEDOM to make my own decisions, IF I'm also willing to live with the consequences of such decisions. Therein lies the POLTICAL nature of these laws, too many, after they get in a jam, cry HELP! and expect the rest to come running and fix everything with a pat and a kiss on the forehead. The more laws, the less freedom !!! Yes... and when was the last time George Bush paid you a visit? I have yet to have politicians knocking, although I have received political snail mail responses to petitions sent. They know what's happening in Main Street USA alright. Just not our respective Main Streets. Why would I want Bushy, Bambam or McPain to visit me? They should have work to do, specifically the tasks assigned to them by the constitution and they should NOT be prying in my personal affairs, life or whatever! I don't need them as 'friends', I need them to do the JOB they're PAID to do! BTW, when did Hillarity last visit you? You've missed the point. ??? You wrote .." Yes... and when was the last time George Bush paid you a visit? " You stated above that "I don't need to be 'protected' from myself. I'm an adult and should have the FREEEDOM to make my own decisions, IF I'm also willing to live with the consequences of such decisions." But, since you don't want any input into how the Bushman is governing your "lot", you don't want anyone knocking on your door polling you for your decision. Somebody polling isn't President Bushy -=visiting=- me! Do understand your own choice of wordings! Well, I never! I said nothing about input - my conext is that there's too much of 'protectionist' input being accepted as 'the way to go' and it's NOT a good sign! How's your stock of gummint issued diapers ... ? Lessee... enough to withstand new-kew-lur fallout. Hmmmm... Sir Rien, how does "want your cake and eat it too" sound? Like a democrat ... Well, at least Biden knows how to say nuclear, much unlike the Bush camp teenster who seems to want to look edumacated but still takes a cue from the master - new-kew-lur. By the way, they're doing their jobs - just not for you or me. :^) No, they're -=exceeding=- their mandates and -=creating=- new 'authorities' to over see us - Dumbos and 'Pub's alike! Ahem... we may be on the same page, albeit looking at it from different ivory towers. :^) So, the question stands, did they ask us to: "-=exceeding=- their mandates and -=creating=- new 'authorities' to over see us - Dumbos and 'Pub's alike!" No, they didn't. :^P Is this a government for the people, by the people? Well, not really. Corporation dictates, mandates, lobbies and PACs! |
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A Politically Incorrect Postage Stamp
No, they didn't. :^P Is this a government for the people, by the people? Well, not really. Corporation dictates, mandates, lobbies and PACs! Sign on the back of a Septic Tank truck. Caution: This truck is full of political promises. |
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Maybe you should have the right to make your own decision whether or
not to smoke - but you certainly do NOT have the right to make the decision to exhale your foul poisons into my air-space - and like it or not that is the only reason why smoking is being proscribed. I have the choice as to whether I enter your house - where you have every right to smoke - and given the balance of risk to benefit ( and especially if we were to talk stamps !!) I probably would - however I do not have the choice outdoors and in public places - and please don't go on about other forms of pollution -seperate argument. I am all in favour of anyone having freedom to do anything provided that such freedom does not limit someone else's freedom - yes oversimplification every freedom by definition limits everyone else's but you get the picture. Malcolm |
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On Rights. Was: A Politically Incorrect Postage Stamp
"malcolm" wrote in message
... Maybe you should have the right to make your own decision whether or not to smoke - but you certainly do NOT have the right to make the decision to exhale your foul poisons into my air-space - and like it or not that is the only reason why smoking is being proscribed. I have the choice as to whether I enter your house - where you have every right to smoke - and given the balance of risk to benefit ( and especially if we were to talk stamps !!) I probably would - however I do not have the choice outdoors and in public places - and please don't go on about other forms of pollution -seperate argument. I am all in favour of anyone having freedom to do anything provided that such freedom does not limit someone else's freedom - yes oversimplification every freedom by definition limits everyone else's but you get the picture. Malcolm What you write seems consistent to me but I'd like to understand it better. Let's say that I want to open a restaurant, and I write on the entrance door: "For Smokers Only". I hire only smoking persons for all the jobs, and I tell them in advance the reason. This isn't the only one restaurant on the place, there are many others in the proximity. Will you agree or not that I'd have the right to open such a restaurant in a free country? To prevent some misunderstandings, may I mention that: - because there are enough restaurants around, we cannot speak here about a real discrimination against the non-smokers - not all places, even those funded by taxpayers, are accessible to everyone (like prisons, for example, where one cannot ask to sleep a night, for any reasons, or like in the Oval Office . http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/oval-office.html And BTW, can an owner of a philatelic shop write on the entrance door: "For Stamp Collectors Only" or will he discriminate this way against the non stamp collectors? -- Victor |
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A Politically Incorrect Postage Stamp
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:28:22 +0800, "rodney"
wrote: No, they didn't. :^P Is this a government for the people, by the people? Well, not really. Corporation dictates, mandates, lobbies and PACs! Sign on the back of a Septic Tank truck. Caution: This truck is full of political promises. An understatement. :^) |
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A Politically Incorrect Postage Stamp
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:30:39 -0700 (PDT), malcolm
wrote: Maybe you should have the right to make your own decision whether or not to smoke - but you certainly do NOT have the right to make the decision to exhale your foul poisons into my air-space - and like it or not that is the only reason why smoking is being proscribed. I have the choice as to whether I enter your house - where you have every right to smoke - and given the balance of risk to benefit ( and especially if we were to talk stamps !!) I probably would - however I do not have the choice outdoors and in public places - and please don't go on about other forms of pollution -seperate argument. I am all in favour of anyone having freedom to do anything provided that such freedom does not limit someone else's freedom - yes oversimplification every freedom by definition limits everyone else's but you get the picture. It is sad that once you define it, freedom is then less free. One very weird but VERY serious problem some people face is the intake of perfume, deodorants or other "smelly nicey" things. There was such a woman at a place I did some consulting. Talk about walk on tiptoes. It was a very serious condition and although the in-house staff knew about it, I wonder how many other people did? I heard she had at least one "attack" while at work. This was nobody's fault - really - but how do we know? With smoking, it goes a lot deeper than that. Further, smoking around your stamp collection gives them that "smokey" flavor du jour... |
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A Politically Incorrect Postage Stamp
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:59:24 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote: BUT, the product is legal, thus its use should not be -=separately=- regulated. BUT, it already is with the age limit. |
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A Politically Incorrect Postage Stamp
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:52:01 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote: found these unused words: On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:13:26 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien wrote: found these unused words: Those 'laws' are passed because SOME people think THEY know what's BEST for the rest ... I don't need to be 'protected' from myself. I'm an adult and should have the FREEEDOM to make my own decisions, IF I'm also willing to live with the consequences of such decisions. Therein lies the POLTICAL nature of these laws, too many, after they get in a jam, cry HELP! and expect the rest to come running and fix everything with a pat and a kiss on the forehead. The more laws, the less freedom !!! Yes... and when was the last time George Bush paid you a visit? I have yet to have politicians knocking, although I have received political snail mail responses to petitions sent. They know what's happening in Main Street USA alright. Just not our respective Main Streets. Why would I want Bushy, Bambam or McPain to visit me? They should have work to do, specifically the tasks assigned to them by the constitution and they should NOT be prying in my personal affairs, life or whatever! I don't need them as 'friends', I need them to do the JOB they're PAID to do! BTW, when did Hillarity last visit you? You've missed the point. ??? You wrote .." Yes... and when was the last time George Bush paid you a visit? " You stated above that "I don't need to be 'protected' from myself. I'm an adult and should have the FREEEDOM to make my own decisions, IF I'm also willing to live with the consequences of such decisions." But, since you don't want any input into how the Bushman is governing your "lot", you don't want anyone knocking on your door polling you for your decision. Somebody polling isn't President Bushy -=visiting=- me! Do understand your own choice of wordings! Well, I never! I said nothing about input - my conext is that there's too much of 'protectionist' input being accepted as 'the way to go' and it's NOT a good sign! How's your stock of gummint issued diapers ... ? Lessee... enough to withstand new-kew-lur fallout. Hmmmm... Sir Rien, how does "want your cake and eat it too" sound? Like a democrat ... Well, at least Biden knows how to say nuclear, much unlike the Bush camp teenster who seems to want to look edumacated but still takes a cue from the master - new-kew-lur. By the way, they're doing their jobs - just not for you or me. :^) No, they're -=exceeding=- their mandates and -=creating=- new 'authorities' to over see us - Dumbos and 'Pub's alike! Ahem... we may be on the same page, albeit looking at it from different ivory towers. :^) Check, mate! So, the question stands, did they ask us to: "-=exceeding=- their mandates and -=creating=- new 'authorities' to over see us - Dumbos and 'Pub's alike!" No, they didn't. :^P Is this a government for the people, by the people? Well, not really. Corporation dictates, mandates, lobbies and PACs! Sierra Club, Indians and NAACP aren't 'people'? What about AAAAAAARRRp! [excuse me] One of the heaviest lobbies. I'd rather have an ARP 2600 myself. :^P |
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A Politically Incorrect Postage Stamp
On Oct 9, 6:27*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:13:42 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien wrote: found these unused words: On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:10:50 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien wrote: Ralphael1 found these unused words: On Oct 7, 5:34*pm, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:02:00 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien wrote: Terry Reedy found these unused words: Sir F. A. Rien wrote: It is now, as most US areas have laws against smoking, they're 'politically' motivated, so ... G! As someone who is suffering the effects of long-ago second-hand smoke and will for the rest of my life, calling the motivation 'political' is not so funny to me. *Tobacco and tobacco smoke are full of poisons and it is 'political' (votes and revenue) that they are not banned. Terry The motivation is definitely political - the anti-smoking groups finally got enough POLITICAL clout to force the actions! There is nearly nothing that happens without a political overtone, in the US anyway! Darn lobbyists, doggone it!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Just in case some people have forgotten, laws are generally passed because people need to be protected from themselves. RtOo Those 'laws' are passed because SOME people think THEY know what's BEST for the rest ... I don't need to be 'protected' from myself. I'm an adult and should have the FREEEDOM to make my own decisions, IF I'm also willing to live with the consequences of such decisions. Therein lies the POLTICAL nature of these laws, too many, after they get in a jam, cry HELP! and expect the rest to come running and fix everything with a pat and a kiss on the forehead. The more laws, the less freedom !!! Yes... and when was the last time George Bush paid you a visit? *I have yet to have politicians knocking, although I have received political snail mail responses to petitions sent. They know what's happening in Main Street USA alright. *Just not our respective Main Streets. Why would I want Bushy, Bambam or McPain to visit me? They should have work to do, specifically the tasks assigned to them by the constitution and they should NOT be prying in my personal affairs, life or whatever! I don't need them as 'friends', I need them to do the JOB they're PAID to do! BTW, when did Hillarity last visit you? You've missed the point. *You stated above that "I don't need to be 'protected' from myself. I'm an adult and should have the FREEEDOM to make my own decisions, IF I'm also willing to live with the consequences of such decisions." But, since you don't want any input into how the Bushman is governing your "lot", you don't want anyone knocking on your door polling you for your decision. Hmmmm... *Sir Rien, how does "want your cake and eat it too" sound? By the way, they're doing their jobs - just not for you or me. *:^)- Hide quoted text - Kudos again Tracy. I totally agree and add the new bunch ain't gonna do no better either.Ralphael, the OLD one - Show quoted text - |
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