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Nice looking Italian coin
Here is a link to a really nice looking coin.
It is listed as a restrike. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3919455709 Anyone know the story about this coin and the restrike? Was it a recent restrike? How big is this coin? Crown size? Regardless it looks good! Dale |
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"Dale Hallmark" wrote:
It is listed as a restrike. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3919455709 It looks like Chinese workmanship to me. The other lots offered also set off warning bells. You can read the legends for yourself: the coin is of Maria Louisa of Austria for her lands in Parma, etc. There was no "Italy" except as a geographical landmass. The other coins offered include an Uncirculated Mussolini "never before offered on eBay." Neo-fascists have been knocking out Mussolini coins since he was hung up to dry. They are not rare or authentic or made in 1928. Those facts tend to condemn the other offerings. The _REAL_ Maria Louisa may well be an interesting coin. Next time you have a chance, look for a real one from a recognized professional dealer. Dale, you've been around the block a few times over the years. I am surprised that you even gave these a second look... heck a first look... Michael "Fan of Bogart/Hepburn African Queen" |
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Michael E. Marotta wrote:
"Dale Hallmark" wrote: It is listed as a restrike. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3919455709 It looks like Chinese workmanship to me. It is `workmanship' (unofficial at that), but not Chinese. These Parma fakes have been around for at least 10 years or so. They are extremely difficult to determine from the real thing from a photo. In the flesh, they would be difficult for someone who isn't used to the `feel' of high grade silver coinage. It is thee `feel' of this one that gets you looking closer at it more than anything else. It IS one of the more dangerous counterfeits made specifically for the collector marketplace. I'm not sure where it was made. A few years ago they were readily available in the flea markets of europe. I've not been looking of late. Perhaps they still are (?) I know of at least fifteen equally remarkable counterfeits of other Italian / Italian Colonies crown sized silver pieces of the same era....all from the same stable. Ian |
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"Michael E. Marotta" wrote in message om... "Dale Hallmark" wrote: It is listed as a restrike. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3919455709 It looks like Chinese workmanship to me. The other lots offered also set off warning bells. You can read the legends for yourself: the coin is of Maria Louisa of Austria for her lands in Parma, etc. There was no "Italy" except as a geographical landmass. The other coins offered include an Uncirculated Mussolini "never before offered on eBay." Neo-fascists have been knocking out Mussolini coins since he was hung up to dry. They are not rare or authentic or made in 1928. Those facts tend to condemn the other offerings. The _REAL_ Maria Louisa may well be an interesting coin. Next time you have a chance, look for a real one from a recognized professional dealer. Dale, you've been around the block a few times over the years. I am surprised that you even gave these a second look... heck a first look... HA! I didn't bid on it :-) I will sometime in the future attempt to acquire one from "a recognized professional dealer". They ain't cheap! Dale |
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"Michael E. Marotta" wrote in message om... I am surprised that you even gave these a second look... heck a first look... Michael "Fan of Bogart/Hepburn African Queen" I forgot to mention any eBay item with "Austria" in the text is one that my searches will turn up. I look at ALL of them :-) Dale |
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Ian wrote in message ...
These Parma fakes have been around for at least 10 years or so. They are extremely difficult to determine from the real thing from a photo. Not in such cases, there is a spectacularly big difference from a real one: http://incuso.altervista.org/5lire_pr.php It IS one of the more dangerous counterfeits made specifically for the collector marketplace. I do not agree, I have seen a few other fakes of the 1832 scudo, and they where damnly good! This one is easily recognizable. All the ones I have seen have the wrong motto in the border (FERT that is the Savoia motto not related to the Parma dukedom). Anyway, I agree with you about the fact that newbies are easily fooled by such things. Currently that fake is running for 52 USD!!! I'm not sure where it was made. A few years ago they were readily available in the flea markets of europe. I've not been looking of late. Perhaps they still are (?) yes, generally in east people flea markets. Ciao, Massimo -- http://incuso.altervista.org |
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Massimo at HOME wrote:
Ian wrote in message ... These Parma fakes have been around for at least 10 years or so. They are extremely difficult to determine from the real thing from a photo. Not in such cases, there is a spectacularly big difference from a real one: http://incuso.altervista.org/5lire_pr.php Very true! On the real item the edge should read `dirige me domine'. On the image in this case it is clearly FERT. Presumably that is why the seller is happy in showing it. He is simply mistaken in calling it a `restrike' when it is in fact (as you and I both know) simply a fake. It IS one of the more dangerous counterfeits made specifically for the collector marketplace. I do not agree, I have seen a few other fakes of the 1832 scudo, and they where damnly good! This one is easily recognizable. All the ones I have seen have the wrong motto in the border (FERT that is the Savoia motto not related to the Parma dukedom). On the internet you very rarely get a glimpse of what's on the edge in a photograph. Here's a fake Parma 5L dated 1815 (it has `Dirige Me Domine' on the edge). It weighs in at 23 grams as opposed to 25 grams. I would defy most people (even so called `experts') to tell the difference unless they really inspect it closely AND weigh it. It is however very much a fake. http://imb4u2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/i...arma5Lobv2.jpg I don't know about you, but to me it's one of the more `dangerous' fakes I have come across (especially if it is out there in quantity). Anyway, I agree with you about the fact that newbies are easily fooled by such things. Currently that fake is running for 52 USD!!! For something being sold as a `restrike', i'm guessing that someone thinks that the seller has made a mistake :-). reverse psycholgy. I bought that 1815 one, and a few other Italian pieces (including fakes of the Emelio 5L) from a seller in Germany for €8 each. On querying him, he bought them in Eastern Europe in the late 90's. The Eritrean pieces I bought from him are frighteningly beautiful (and VERY convincing!) but they are certainly `old news' to the marketplace. I'm not sure where it was made. A few years ago they were readily available in the flea markets of europe. I've not been looking of late. Perhaps they still are (?) yes, generally in east people flea markets. That does not surprise me. Ciao, Massimo -- http://incuso.altervista.org cheers, Ian |
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