Meaning of "mlrd"

In Germany (and elsewhere in Europe,I believe):

1 billion = 1,000,000,000,000 = a million million
1 miliarden = 1,000,000,000 = a thousand million

These are, respectively, 1 trillion and 1 billion in the US
(and apparently also in GB).

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com

P.S. to Victor Manta - You somehow changed my "10 to the 21st
power" into 10^12. 10^21 is correct.


In article , says...

Inflation-era revenue stamps exist in denominations up to
10 billion marks - that's 10,000,000,000,000 or 10 trillion
to English speakers.

Not in my experience! The highest 1923 issue was 50 Billion
(50,000,000,000) Marks.

I am English and as long as I can remember, a Billion is written
as 1,000,000,000 - one thousand million. I think your zero's
are on overload!


The 1946 inflation in Hungary can top that. The highest
denomination postage stamp was 5 million adopengos (where
1 adopengo = 2 times 10 to the 21st power), or (hope I get
this right) 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos.

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com

Oooooh! Don't get me started on another collection!!! I love those
1923 Inflation issues! I didn't know about the others!

HELP ME TRACY!!

David 8-o

In an earlier message "David F." wrote:

Inflation-era revenue stamps exist in denominations up to
10 billion marks - that's 10,000,000,000,000 or 10 trillion
to English speakers.

Not in my experience! The highest 1923 issue was 50 Billion
(50,000,000,000) Marks.

I am English and as long as I can remember, a Billion is written
as 1,000,000,000 - one thousand million. I think your zero's
are on overload!


The 1946 inflation in Hungary can top that. The highest
denomination postage stamp was 5 million adopengos (where
1 adopengo = 2 times 10 to the 21st power), or (hope I get
this right) 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos.

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com

Oooooh! Don't get me started on another collection!!! I love those
1923 Inflation issues! I didn't know about the others!

HELP ME TRACY!!

David 8-o



The English billion is a million million, but this usage has been
obscured by increasing use of the American meaning of a thousand million
in the media. As a result few Brits know the true meaning of the word.

Ein milliarden is a US billion.

The English trillion is a million million million i.e. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
The US trillion is the English billion i.e. 1,000,000,000,000

Once again the two countries are separated by a common language....

--
Tony Clayton or
Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/coins.html
Values of Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/values/coins.html
Metals used in Coins : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/metal.html
Sent using RISC OS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC
.... It's not in the manual !!!!!

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:56:31 +0100, (Tony
Clayton) wrote:

In an earlier message "David F." wrote:

Inflation-era revenue stamps exist in denominations up to
10 billion marks - that's 10,000,000,000,000 or 10 trillion
to English speakers.

Not in my experience! The highest 1923 issue was 50 Billion
(50,000,000,000) Marks.

I am English and as long as I can remember, a Billion is written
as 1,000,000,000 - one thousand million. I think your zero's
are on overload!


The 1946 inflation in Hungary can top that. The highest
denomination postage stamp was 5 million adopengos (where
1 adopengo = 2 times 10 to the 21st power), or (hope I get
this right) 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos.

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com

Oooooh! Don't get me started on another collection!!! I love those
1923 Inflation issues! I didn't know about the others!

HELP ME TRACY!!

David 8-o



The English billion is a million million, but this usage has been
obscured by increasing use of the American meaning of a thousand million
in the media. As a result few Brits know the true meaning of the word.

Ein milliarden is a US billion.

The English trillion is a million million million i.e. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
The US trillion is the English billion i.e. 1,000,000,000,000

Once again the two countries are separated by a common language....

No wonder they didn't want the Euro! :^)

OK, then - what are these in "Brit terms":

1,000
1,000,000
1,000,000,000
1,000,000,000,000
1,000,000,000,000,000

If this is a trillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000

Thanks.

Tracy Barber

"Tracy Barber" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:56:31 +0100, (Tony
Clayton) wrote:

In an earlier message "David F." wrote:

Inflation-era revenue stamps exist in denominations up to
10 billion marks - that's 10,000,000,000,000 or 10 trillion
to English speakers.

Not in my experience! The highest 1923 issue was 50 Billion
(50,000,000,000) Marks.

I am English and as long as I can remember, a Billion is written
as 1,000,000,000 - one thousand million. I think your zero's
are on overload!


The 1946 inflation in Hungary can top that. The highest
denomination postage stamp was 5 million adopengos (where
1 adopengo = 2 times 10 to the 21st power), or (hope I get
this right) 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos.

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com

Oooooh! Don't get me started on another collection!!! I love those
1923 Inflation issues! I didn't know about the others!

HELP ME TRACY!!

David 8-o



The English billion is a million million, but this usage has been
obscured by increasing use of the American meaning of a thousand million
in the media. As a result few Brits know the true meaning of the word.

Ein milliarden is a US billion.

The English trillion is a million million million i.e.
1,000,000,000,000,000,000
The US trillion is the English billion i.e.
1,000,000,000,000

Once again the two countries are separated by a common language....

No wonder they didn't want the Euro! :^)

OK, then - what are these in "Brit terms":

1,000
1,000,000
1,000,000,000
1,000,000,000,000
1,000,000,000,000,000

If this is a trillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000

Thanks.

Tracy Barber

Here is an easy way to unfathomed those Brits:

The "lion" is the clue: it is the suffix, in millions, of the prefix.

Thus million = One million (10^6)
Billion = bi (two) One million million (10^12)
Trillion = tri (three) One million million millon (10^18)
Quadrillion = quad (four) One million million miilion million (10^24).

Therefore, 1,000,000,000 = One thousand million (10^9)
1,000,000,000,000.000 = One thousand billion (10^15)

The answer to the question Is this a trillion, is yes, because it has 15
zeroes.

Tony

"Tracy Barber" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:30:09 +0100, "David F."
wrote:

The English billion is a million million, but this usage has been
obscured by increasing use of the American meaning of a thousand
million
in the media. As a result few Brits know the true meaning of the
word.

Ein milliarden is a US billion.

The English trillion is a million million million i.e.
1,000,000,000,000,000,000
The US trillion is the English billion i.e.
1,000,000,000,000

Once again the two countries are separated by a common language....

No wonder they didn't want the Euro! :^)

OK, then - what are these in "Brit terms":

1,000
1,000,000
1,000,000,000
1,000,000,000,000
1,000,000,000,000,000

If this is a trillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000

Thanks.

Tracy Barber


Well, I am English, born in London in 1956, and lived here all my life.
I have never referred to a Billion as anything other than 10^9
(=1,000,000,000).

1,000 = thousand

Thought so...

1,000,000 = million

Thought so...

1,000,000,000 = billion

Thought so...

1,000,000,000,000 = trillion

Thought so...

1,000,000,000,000,000 = zillion(?)

Quadrillion?

By the way, what is a Quadrillion? I've head it a few times in the past!

Maybe?

Tracy Barber

Zillion, like umpteen, is a slang word; it has no mathematical meaning, it
just means numerous and unknown.

Tony.

"Jay T. Carrigan" wrote in message
news:i799b.444873$YN5.300505@sccrnsc01...
snip

Jay Carrigan
P.S. to Victor Manta - You somehow changed my "10 to the 21st
power" into 10^12. 10^21 is correct.

It wasn't somehow, but by the elementary calculation, already presented
earlier:

"I suppose that you speak about the Sc. 784 (Michel 942). Its value seems to
be 5 Millions Adopengos. Because 1 Adopengo = 10**12 (ten at the power of
12) pengos, then

5 Millions Adopengos = 5 * (10**6) * (10**12) = 5 * 10**18 pengos =

= 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos "

Could you please tell me what is wrong with this calculation, or,
alternatively, how do you came to your estimation of 10**21? TIA.

BTW, I had the impression that you weren't sure about your own result
("(hope I get this right") and, for this reason, I made the calculation.
Anyway, I don't see how can you get the
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos of something that starts with
a "5" and not with a "10". I mean by this the value of the stamp, that is
certainly 5 (!) Millions Adopengos - as long as we speak about the same
Hungary Scott 784 (Michel 942).

Just to mention that your final estimation:
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 seems to be 10**28 and not 10**21.

Victor Manta

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org
Art on Stamps: http://values.ch
Romania Shown by Its Stamps: http://marci-postale.com
Communism on Stamps: http://www.values.ch/Communism/
Spanish Africa: http://www.values.ch/sna-site/
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

In an earlier message Tracy Barber wrote:



The English billion is a million million, but this usage has been
obscured by increasing use of the American meaning of a thousand million
in the media. As a result few Brits know the true meaning of the word.

Ein milliarden is a US billion.

The English trillion is a million million million i.e. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
The US trillion is the English billion i.e. 1,000,000,000,000

Once again the two countries are separated by a common language....

No wonder they didn't want the Euro! :^)

OK, then - what are these in "Brit terms":

1,000 thousand
1,000,000 million
1,000,000,000 thousand million
1,000,000,000,000 billion
1,000,000,000,000,000 thousand billion

If this is a trillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000

Thanks.

Tracy Barber



--
Tony Clayton or
Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/coins.html
Values of Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/values/coins.html
Metals used in Coins : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/metal.html
Sent using RISC OS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC
.... None of you exists, my sysop types all this in!

In an earlier message "David F." wrote:


Well, I am English, born in London in 1956, and lived here all my life.
I have never referred to a Billion as anything other than 10^9
(=1,000,000,000).

I think that confirms my point about US influence post-war. Have a look in the dictionary.


1,000 = thousand
1,000,000 = million
1,000,000,000 = billion
1,000,000,000,000 = trillion
1,000,000,000,000,000 = zillion(?)

By the way, what is a Quadrillion?

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 in the UK (a million to the power 4)
1,000,000,000,000,000 in the US (a thousand to the power 5)

a*zillion is an indefinite large number....




--
Tony Clayton or
Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/coins.html
Values of Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/values/coins.html
Metals used in Coins : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/metal.html
Sent using RISC OS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC
.... ASCII stupid question... get a stupid ANSI!

Michel (after no. 942):
"adopengo = Steuer-Pengo = 2 Trilliarden (2x10^21) Pengo"

Magyar Posta- es Illetekbelyeg Katalogus (before no.979):
"1 adopengo = 2 x 10^21 pengo (ketezer trillio pengo)"

So to express 1 adopengo in pengo, write 2 followed by 21 zeros.
To express 5 million adopengo in pengo, write 1 followed by 28 zeros,
i.e. 5x(10^6) x 2x(10^21) = 10x(10^27) = 10^28.

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


In article ,
says...

"Jay T. Carrigan" wrote in message
news:i799b.444873$YN5.300505@sccrnsc01...
snip

Jay Carrigan
P.S. to Victor Manta - You somehow changed my "10 to the 21st
power" into 10^12. 10^21 is correct.

It wasn't somehow, but by the elementary calculation, already presented
earlier:

"I suppose that you speak about the Sc. 784 (Michel 942). Its value seems to
be 5 Millions Adopengos. Because 1 Adopengo = 10**12 (ten at the power of
12) pengos, then

5 Millions Adopengos = 5 * (10**6) * (10**12) = 5 * 10**18 pengos =

= 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos "

Could you please tell me what is wrong with this calculation, or,
alternatively, how do you came to your estimation of 10**21? TIA.

BTW, I had the impression that you weren't sure about your own result
("(hope I get this right") and, for this reason, I made the calculation.
Anyway, I don't see how can you get the
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos of something that starts with
a "5" and not with a "10". I mean by this the value of the stamp, that is
certainly 5 (!) Millions Adopengos - as long as we speak about the same
Hungary Scott 784 (Michel 942).

Just to mention that your final estimation:
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 seems to be 10**28 and not 10**21.

Victor Manta

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org
Art on Stamps: http://values.ch
Romania Shown by Its Stamps: http://marci-postale.com
Communism on Stamps: http://www.values.ch/Communism/
Spanish Africa: http://www.values.ch/sna-site/
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article 9uQ8b.441878$uu5.78689@sccrnsc04,
Jay T. Carrigan wrote:

The 1946 inflation in Hungary can top that. The highest
denomination postage stamp was 5 million adopengos (where
1 adopengo = 2 times 10 to the 21st power), or (hope I get
this right) 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos.

At the APS Stampshow in Columbus, Ohio last month I saw an exhibit of the
Hungarian hyperinflation stamps. It featured a cover bearing a single
copy of that 5 million ap stamp. I took a picture of it and am looking at
it right now in another window. The annotation reads:

"THE LARGEST DENOMINATION DEFINITIVE STAMP
EVER ISSUED

LAST DAY OF HYPERINFLATION

With 'Single' usage only two covers are recorded.

[cover]

Stamp in use only 6 days.
(July 26-31, 1946.)

Paid rate 4,800,000 adopengo with overpayment 200,000 ap.
Translated from adopengo to pengo 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Posted on the last day of inflation July 31, 1946. Registered letter to
Austria. U.S. Army censor."

--
Jon Bell Presbyterian College
Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA