1882 postcard, help for text in german

I am looking for a translation from german to english of the 3 lines
message on this postcard :

http://cjoint.com/?bhwbS6kzXb

I understand that the card is sent to a Joseph Albert, Photograph,
Institute for artistic photography etc., 45 Briennenstrasse, Munich.

But what does it say (I just get "Wollen..." "Verlag catalog"). Does
it send, or propose, a catalog ? The handwriting is awful.

This is in order to understand why this card from Paris to Munich is
franked 15c instead of 10c, the cards UPU rate in 1882. Recto:

http://cjoint.com/?bhwc2yjiJq

Needless to say, my german vocabulary doesn't exceed ten words, so
rcsd seems a good place to ask. Thanks,

--
Greetings from Paris,
Bruno

bc92 wrote:
I am looking for a translation from german to english of the 3 lines
message on this postcard :

http://cjoint.com/?bhwbS6kzXb

I understand that the card is sent to a Joseph Albert, Photograph,
Institute for artistic photography etc., 45 Briennenstrasse, Munich.

But what does it say (I just get "Wollen..." "Verlag catalog"). Does it
send, or propose, a catalog ? The handwriting is awful.

I can't read any of that either. Perhaps in a larger scan it would
be possible to understand more. But I am generally able to read very
little written by hand by German speakers. And your example isn't so
bad! The stuff written in the Sütterlin script is completely impossible
for me to understand. That script is newer than your postcard example,
so your postcard is not written in true Sütterlin.

http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Englisch/Sutterlin.htm

Or, for you in French,

http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Francais/Suetterlin.htm

Take a look at the word "kommen" in this exercise for understanding
handwritten Sütterlin! It's no wonder there are businesses which
"translate" old German handwritten documents so we can understand them
today.

http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Lese/Sutterlin1.htm

Sütterlin is the latest form of this German handwriting. You might
be able to find out more about this writing by studying Kurrentschrift,
which is the name for the general form of handwritten German.

Ryan

bc92 schrieb:
I am looking for a translation from german to english of the 3 lines
message on this postcard :

http://cjoint.com/?bhwbS6kzXb

I understand that the card is sent to a Joseph Albert, Photograph,
Institute for artistic photography etc., 45 Briennenstrasse, Munich.

But what does it say (I just get "Wollen..." "Verlag catalog"). Does it
send, or propose, a catalog ? The handwriting is awful.

This is in order to understand why this card from Paris to Munich is
franked 15c instead of 10c, the cards UPU rate in 1882. Recto:

http://cjoint.com/?bhwc2yjiJq

Needless to say, my german vocabulary doesn't exceed ten words, so rcsd
seems a good place to ask. Thanks,


Hi, let me try to translate it:

In German is written:

"Herrn Joseph Albert
Artistische Anstalt für Photographie und Lichtdruck
Photographischer Kunstverlag in München
Briennerstrasse 45

Paris den 27. Juli 1882

Wollen Sie die Gefälligkeit haben Ihren Verlagskatalog bald
baldmöglichst unter Kreuzband mir einschicken zu wollen

Hochachtungsvoll Charles ......"

Translated in English: (starting after: 27. Juli 1882)

"Would You please be so kind to send me Your publisher catalogue as a
printed matter.

respectfully...."

"Kreuzband" means an older idiom for printed matter, sent by a special
form of banderole.

kind regards

Gerhard

"Gerhard Reichert"
"Herrn Joseph Albert
Artistische Anstalt für Photographie und Lichtdruck
Photographischer Kunstverlag in München
Briennerstrasse 45
Paris den 27. Juli 1882

Maybe this postcard is significant ?
A "Joseph Albert" invented the Collotype or photogelatin printing in 1870

Ryan Davenport wrote :
[on Sütterlin script]
http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Englisch/Sutterlin.htm

Or, for you in French,

http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Francais/Suetterlin.htm

Take a look at the word "kommen" in this exercise for
understanding handwritten Sütterlin! It's no wonder there are
businesses which "translate" old German handwritten documents so we
can understand them today.

http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Lese/Sutterlin1.htm

Sütterlin is the latest form of this German handwriting. You
might be able to find out more about this writing by studying
Kurrentschrift, which is the name for the general form of handwritten
German.


Hello Ryan,

Many thanks for these links.
I know understand why ä ö ü are sometimes written ae oe ue in German !


--
All the best,
Pierre Courtiade

"Gerhard Reichert" wrote:
bc92 schrieb:
I am looking for a translation from german to english of the 3 lines
message on this postcard :

http://cjoint.com/?bhwbS6kzXb

Hi, let me try to translate it:

[...]

"Would You please be so kind to send me Your publisher catalogue as a
printed matter.

respectfully...."

"Kreuzband" means an older idiom for printed matter, sent by a special
form of banderole.

================================

Excellent, Gerhard, many thanks !

My thanks to Ryan and Rod also for their useful comments.

--
Best regards,
Bruno

If you look at this link
http://www.uwe.ac.uk/amd/cfpr/colltext.htm

with a bit of poetic licence, one may imagine the author of the letter
requesting information on machinery and subordinate materials used
and shown on this link, the collotype or "Albertype" process, no doubt
Mr. Albert was selling.

On Jan 7, 4:18 pm, "bc92" wrote:
I am looking for a translation from german to english of the 3 lines
message on this postcard :

http://cjoint.com/?bhwbS6kzXb

I understand that the card is sent to a Joseph Albert, Photograph,
Institute for artistic photography etc., 45 Briennenstrasse, Munich.

But what does it say (I just get "Wollen..." "Verlag catalog"). Does
it send, or propose, a catalog ? The handwriting is awful.

This is in order to understand why this card from Paris to Munich is
franked 15c instead of 10c, the cards UPU rate in 1882. Recto:

http://cjoint.com/?bhwc2yjiJq

Needless to say, my german vocabulary doesn't exceed ten words, so
rcsd seems a good place to ask. Thanks,

--
Greetings from Paris,
Bruno


Bonjour Bruno:

(1) For many years (in Canada and some other countries),
any postcard was limited to five words. After 5 words, it
was charged as a letter.

I do not know if this was the case in France, but I am
sure that Pierre or one of the others could verify this
(either positive or negative).

(2) En Frasnce, la guerre terminée, l'administration
autorise officiellement la carte postale le 20 décembre
1872 et les premières cartes officielles sortent en
janvier 1873.

Ici, nous avons une carte postale (janvier 1873) ,
avant l'UPU bien sur, avec le tarif de 15c.
http://apce.levillage.org/IMG/jpg/precurseur.jpg

Philateliquement votre
Blair

Blair (TC) wrote :
On Jan 7, 4:18 pm, "bc92" wrote:

This is in order to understand why this card from Paris to Munich is
franked 15c instead of 10c, the cards UPU rate in 1882. Recto:

http://cjoint.com/?bhwc2yjiJq

Bonjour Bruno:

(1) For many years (in Canada and some other countries),
any postcard was limited to five words. After 5 words, it
was charged as a letter.

I do not know if this was the case in France, but I am
sure that Pierre or one of the others could verify this
(either positive or negative).

Alas, nothing like that here, Blair; since 1879 - and certainly so in
1882 - the UPU postcard rate from France is 10 centimes whatever the
number of words.

Ici, nous avons une carte postale (janvier 1873) ,
avant l'UPU bien sur, avec le tarif de 15c.
http://apce.levillage.org/IMG/jpg/precurseur.jpg

Nice one, thanks.

--
Cordialement,
Bruno