Buyer Beware of the 1831 Half Cent - Actually an altered 1834

It really torques me when someone falsely advertises in a title...then has
the nerve to say "Looks real to me" in the description! Add this one to
the book of EBay Scams! At the very least, this person should be avoided
as someone who is willing to advertise altered coins as the real deal.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=21976753 99

Gerald Buckmaster wrote:

It really torques me when someone falsely advertises in a title...then has
the nerve to say "Looks real to me" in the description! Add this one to
the book of EBay Scams! At the very least, this person should be avoided
as someone who is willing to advertise altered coins as the real deal.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=21976753 99

Items like this one have no appeal, for me. Selling altered coins,
knowingly, is an offense, so far as ANA is concerned. We know ebaY does
not care. The seller suggests using it to fill a hole in a collection.
I think it should fill a hole, alright.

Alan
'another real historical coin wasted'

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:17:16 -0700, Gerald Buckmaster
wrote:

It really torques me when someone falsely advertises in a title...then has
the nerve to say "Looks real to me" in the description! Add this one to
the book of EBay Scams! At the very least, this person should be avoided
as someone who is willing to advertise altered coins as the real deal.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=21976753 99

The seller in the auction description does say,"Coin was sent it for
certification and came back 'Can't guarantee the authenticity of
coin'" and that he assumes the coin is altered. The only people he'll
nab are those too lazy to read.

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Reid Goldsborough wrote:

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:17:16 -0700, Gerald Buckmaster
wrote:

It really torques me when someone falsely advertises in a title...then has
the nerve to say "Looks real to me" in the description! Add this one to
the book of EBay Scams! At the very least, this person should be avoided
as someone who is willing to advertise altered coins as the real deal.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=21976753 99

The seller in the auction description does say,"Coin was sent it for
certification and came back 'Can't guarantee the authenticity of
coin'" and that he assumes the coin is altered. The only people he'll
nab are those too lazy to read.


What professional service would return a coin accompanied by those
"can't tell for sure" remarks? They would either declare it authentic
or return it as a phony. And they would probably be willing to
guarantee their call either way.

Bruce

Bruce Remick wrote:
Reid Goldsborough wrote:

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:17:16 -0700, Gerald Buckmaster
wrote:


It really torques me when someone falsely advertises in a title...then has
the nerve to say "Looks real to me" in the description! Add this one to
the book of EBay Scams! At the very least, this person should be avoided
as someone who is willing to advertise altered coins as the real deal.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=21976753 99

The seller in the auction description does say,"Coin was sent it for
certification and came back 'Can't guarantee the authenticity of
coin'" and that he assumes the coin is altered. The only people he'll
nab are those too lazy to read.



What professional service would return a coin accompanied by those
"can't tell for sure" remarks? They would either declare it authentic
or return it as a phony. And they would probably be willing to
guarantee their call either way.

Bruce


I have always wondered if they use those vague descriptions ("Can't guarantee the
authenticity of coin") because if they declared the coin a counterfeit there may be some
legality that would require them to send it
in for destruction.

Has anyone ever received a coin back from a grading service that flat out stated that it
was counterfeit?


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actually, I have seen the verbiage that comes back from at least one of the
services, and rather than state outright the coin was phony, I think they
used the term doubtful authenticity.

"Bruce Remick" wrote in message
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Reid Goldsborough wrote:

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:17:16 -0700, Gerald Buckmaster
wrote:

It really torques me when someone falsely advertises in a title...then
has
the nerve to say "Looks real to me" in the description! Add this one
to
the book of EBay Scams! At the very least, this person should be
avoided
as someone who is willing to advertise altered coins as the real deal.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=21976753 99

The seller in the auction description does say,"Coin was sent it for
certification and came back 'Can't guarantee the authenticity of
coin'" and that he assumes the coin is altered. The only people he'll
nab are those too lazy to read.


What professional service would return a coin accompanied by those
"can't tell for sure" remarks? They would either declare it authentic
or return it as a phony. And they would probably be willing to
guarantee their call either way.

Bruce

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:47:34 -0400, Bruce Remick
wrote:

What professional service would return a coin accompanied by those
"can't tell for sure" remarks? They would either declare it authentic
or return it as a phony. And they would probably be willing to
guarantee their call either way.

As I understand it, this is common operating procedure for the
mainstream services. I don't know if they do this universally though.
I've never received a coin back this way. This is just from what I've
heard.

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Bob Peterson wrote:

actually, I have seen the verbiage that comes back from at least one of the
services, and rather than state outright the coin was phony, I think they
used the term doubtful authenticity.


Boy! Which one??? I sure wouldn't have much use for an authenticating
service that could only "doubt" whether a coin was authentic, and was
unable or unwilling to make a call one way or another. There's gotta be
something about the coin that raises a question, and that at least
should be spelled out to the submitter.

Bruce

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:41:19 -0400, Bruce Remick wrote:

Bob Peterson wrote:

actually, I have seen the verbiage that comes back from at least one of
the
services, and rather than state outright the coin was phony, I think
they
used the term doubtful authenticity.


Boy! Which one??? I sure wouldn't have much use for an authenticating
service that could only "doubt" whether a coin was authentic, and was
unable or unwilling to make a call one way or another. There's gotta be
something about the coin that raises a question, and that at least
should be spelled out to the submitter.

Bruce

IIRC PCGS has verbiage similar to the above as one of the possible options
for a "no grade". I don't remeber seeing a "coin is a counterfeit" as a
possibility for a no grade.

Reid writes:

As I understand it, this is common operating procedure for the
mainstream services. I don't know if they do this universally though.
I've never received a coin back this way. This is just from what I've
heard.




Both NGC and PCGS, the two leading grading services, use the "doubtful
authenticity" phrase. I suppose this relieves them of the obligation to turn
the "coin" over to the Secret Service.

Chill out, Bruce
Everyone in the industry knows what that phrase means.


Ira Stein