Am I a collector or not?

John Pelan wrote:
On 24 Dec 2004 00:35:08 -0800, wrote:


John Pelan wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:53:14 GMT, David Bilek

wrote:

[...]

Now, sir, you are reverting to your customary
habit of trying to generalize from your personal
preferences and by so doing create rules we
collectors all must abide by.

Both the people in your examples would be book
collectors, of course.

The basic difference is that the first person is
the sort or collector some might view as disorderly
or haphazard in his approach to collecting. The
second was a more orderly and more formal collector.
But one is as much a collector as the other.
The fact that the second person obviously meets
with your approval while the first does not
changes nothing important.

By the way, there are a number of good reasons
for science fiction book collectors to desire
book club editions. For one thing, often
new and outstanding cover art is commissioned
for the book club edition. One example is
Robert Silverberg's DOWNWARD TO THE EARTH.
In that case, no less an illustrator than
Frank Frazetta was commissioned to produce
a cover illustration specifically for the
book club edition. (Nelson Doubleday, 1970)
The powerful work of art which resulted has
become one of the more famous science fiction
illustrations. That is not the only example,
of course. In fact, many book club editions
feature better cover art than the first
trade edition can boast.

Of course, I agree there is such a thing
as a "book accumulation." Some people
simply have pack-rat habits when it comes
to books, so please don't interpret my
remarks to suggest that there is no such
thing as a "book accumulator" as opposed
to a book collector. However, I get the
distinct impression that you use the term
"book accumulator" pejoratively regarding
actual collectors: "*I* am a book
collector, but 'B', who annoys me, is
a book ACCUMULATOR."

Mr. Palmer

Bleach-bottle Bill, when I want your ill-formed opinion, I'll ask for
it, Now **** off, people are discussing book collecting.

Your behavior is typical of Usenet phonies
such as John Pelan. Your thin veneer suggesting
a reasonably civilized person rubs off (when
your twaddle is challenged) far too easily,
and you stand naked before the entire newsgroup
as what you in fact a an ill-mannered, half-
informed lout with pretensions to newsgroup
ownership.

Further, let me set you straight about another
of the many aspects of newsgroup reality you
have missed, probably as the result of your
wearing horse-blinkers while typing out your
latest bundle of fiddlesticks. Posters do
not join Usenet discussions because they are
"invited" to by any or all of the participants,
even those as blustery and self-important as
one John Pelan.

Posters join discussions because they have
something they wish to share with the readers.
Period.

Your remark about not wanting my opinion
reveals you for exactly what you are, Mr.
Pelan: The bane of newsgroup discourse,
you prove yourself to be simply another
pushy, Usenet-ignorant cretin who has
ensconced himself in a newsgroup to the
lamentable (for most other participants)
degree that he now fancies himself an
owner.


Mr. Palmer
Book Room 314

Cheerio,

John

Bob wrote:
wrote
Now, sir, you are reverting to your customary
habit of trying to generalize from your personal
preferences and by so doing create rules we
collectors all must abide by.

Now, palmjob, you have reverted to your customary habit of drawing an
erroneous, illogical conclusion and attempting to support it using
fallacious arguments.

In other words, being far too much
the semi-intelligent poltroon to try
and refute one iota of any of my well-
reasoned assertions, you content
yourself with spewing a bit of venom.
But being the arrogant, ill-informed
garden slug you in fact are, "Bob,"
you flatter yourself that your
cowardly spew carries weight with
the intelligent readers of this
distinguished forum. Quite the
contrary. It merely exposes you
for the shabby, dunce-capped
ignoramus with newsgroup ownership
pretensions that you in fact are.

Mr. Palmer
Book Room 314

I think those bleach fumes have rotted your brain.
Happy Festivus!

In article . com,
wrote:

Your behavior is typical of Usenet phonies
you in fact a an ill-mannered,
half-informed lout
let me set you straight about another
of the many aspects of newsgroup reality
Posters join discussions because they have
something they wish to share with the readers.
Period.

Your desire to share angry inanities with disinterested parties is not
sharing. It's an imposition.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

paghat wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:

Your behavior is typical of Usenet phonies
you in fact a an ill-mannered,
half-informed lout
let me set you straight about another
of the many aspects of newsgroup reality
Posters join discussions because they have
something they wish to share with the readers.
Period.

Your desire to share angry inanities with disinterested parties is
not
sharing. It's an imposition.

I am not sure what you are referring to there.
If you bother to read this thread, you will
see that I made a couple of very non-angry,
informative posts before the two "newsgroup-
owners-wannabe" launced their vicious,
unreasoing assaults. As a result, it needs
to be made clear that the portion of my post
which you quote above was simply a defense
against a prior attack. (But don't take
my word for it; everything is right on this
thread.)

Mr. Palmer


-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

My, my, poor little palmjob certainly has his knickers twisted.
Your pathetic, inane bleatings are what put you on most reader's kill files.
I recently cleared my kill file list to see what was going on in this group
but guess what, you're going to be the first one to go back on it.
Now go bleach some books, you pretentious, pseudo-intellectual putz.

In article , Tom wrote:

Bob wrote:

My, my, poor little palmjob certainly has his knickers twisted.
Your pathetic, inane bleatings are what put you on most reader's kill files.
I recently cleared my kill file list to see what was going on in this group
but guess what, you're going to be the first one to go back on it.
Now go bleach some books, you pretentious, pseudo-intellectual putz.

That an accumulator of second-rate juvenile publications
would profess to pass judgement on another's intellectual
demeanor is one a par with Dubya criticizing Thomas Jefferson
on statesmanship.

Tom

Uhm, you think Palmjob's equivalent to Thomas Jefferson? Well I guess he's
got a fan! I'd think a more apropos comparison would be Moe Howard
criticizing Shemp.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

Bob wrote:

My, my, poor little palmjob certainly has his knickers twisted.
Your pathetic, inane bleatings are what put you on most reader's kill files.
I recently cleared my kill file list to see what was going on in this group
but guess what, you're going to be the first one to go back on it.
Now go bleach some books, you pretentious, pseudo-intellectual putz.

That an accumulator of second-rate juvenile publications
would profess to pass judgement on another's intellectual
demeanor is one a par with Dubya criticizing Thomas Jefferson
on statesmanship.

Tom

paghat wrote:

In article , Tom wrote:

Bob wrote:

My, my, poor little palmjob certainly has his knickers twisted.
Your pathetic, inane bleatings are what put you on most reader's kill files.
I recently cleared my kill file list to see what was going on in this group
but guess what, you're going to be the first one to go back on it.
Now go bleach some books, you pretentious, pseudo-intellectual putz.

That an accumulator of second-rate juvenile publications
would profess to pass judgement on another's intellectual
demeanor is one a par with Dubya criticizing Thomas Jefferson
on statesmanship.

Tom

Uhm, you think Palmjob's equivalent to Thomas Jefferson? Well I guess he's
got a fan! I'd think a more apropos comparison would be Moe Howard
criticizing Shemp.

-paghat the ratgirl


Think of it as more a suggestion of relativity between apparent
intellectual levels. The acquisition of the "works" of Frank Dixon
hardly rates as level one and combined with the vocabulary of said
acquirer...

Tom

Tom

Bob wrote:
My, my, poor little palmjob certainly has his knickers twisted.
Your pathetic, inane bleatings are what put you on most reader's kill
files.

My, my, aren't WE omniscient today! Now
you even have the power to see who is in
"most reader's killfiles," (sic) even though
you yourself have plainly failed to master
the correct use of apostrophes for showing
possession.


I recently cleared my kill file list

You would have done far better by yourself
(and your two or three readers!) to study
rudimentary English punctuation.

to see what was going on in this group

Give it up. You'll never have a clue. No
killfile is going to help you overcome your
reading deficiencies.

but guess what, you're going to be the first one to go back on it.

If that means you are going to stop
pestering me for your 15 seconds of
net-fame, wonderful.

Now go bleach some books, you pretentious, pseudo-intellectual putz.

Cut and run type, eh? Well, scurry off
behind your killfile where you feel safe.
See if anyone cares.

Mr. Palmer
Room 314

wow. I just showed up to this group and I am shocked and amazed by the
lack of actual discusion. If someone makes a slightly offensive remark
I think it would be better to ignore it than to resopond. Shame on you
all.

Back to the topic:
I think it all depends on how you look at it. I think the deffinition
of a collector is someone who aquires objects of a certain type for the
pleasure of it. I think as long as you shop and bye books because you
enjoy owning them than you are a collector. That is not to say that
you might not be as "refined" or "specialized" a collector as some
people here, but I would call what you have a collection.

Dan