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shaking ink?
I was one of those who picked up a Pelikan 605 in the Levengers sale.
Gave it its first fill of the wonderful Noodler's Black, and started writing....and was surprised to see a line of ink that was distinctly "mid- grey" rather than the normal dense black I'm used to from Noodler's (which I only bought for the first time a couple of months ago). It wasn't a problem of flow, definitely a problem of intensity, and not a subtle one. It looked watery. Kept writing for a while, but it didn't improve. It then occurred to me that the bottle has not been touched for several weeks. Although I was sure I had read many times that ink bottles never need to be shaken, I emptied the 605, gave the bottle of Noodler's a gentle shake, and re-filled, and started writing. And behold, a wonderful dense black line appears.... So I searched the posts here, and sure enough, the few posts I can find of shaking ink say that it should never be necessary. But I'm not making this up - the difference was marked, far too great to be a trick of the light. Any thoughts? Love the 605, by the way, although I'm not sure that it's a better writer than my current favourite (the wonderful Filcao Leader - a bit heavy to be my ideal everyday pen, but a stunningly good nib). JohnK |
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"JK" wrote in message . 1.4... I was one of those who picked up a Pelikan 605 in the Levengers sale. Gave it its first fill of the wonderful Noodler's Black, and started writing....and was surprised to see a line of ink that was distinctly "mid- grey" rather than the normal dense black I'm used to from Noodler's (which I only bought for the first time a couple of months ago). It wasn't a problem of flow, definitely a problem of intensity, and not a subtle one. It looked watery. Kept writing for a while, but it didn't improve. It then occurred to me that the bottle has not been touched for several weeks. Although I was sure I had read many times that ink bottles never need to be shaken, I emptied the 605, gave the bottle of Noodler's a gentle shake, and re-filled, and started writing. And behold, a wonderful dense black line appears.... So I searched the posts here, and sure enough, the few posts I can find of shaking ink say that it should never be necessary. But I'm not making this up - the difference was marked, far too great to be a trick of the light. Any thoughts? Love the 605, by the way, although I'm not sure that it's a better writer than my current favourite (the wonderful Filcao Leader - a bit heavy to be my ideal everyday pen, but a stunningly good nib). JohnK JK-- Have been told never to shake ink due to residue that collects on the bottom but I notice a separation too. Will await responses. How does your 605 compare in size to 800? Thanks, Penny |
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There are some waterproof inks originating in China and said to be
compatible with fountain pens that use microscopic-size pigments. This is a new development and these waterproof inks are being offered in bulk to Western manufacturers. While safe for fountain pen use, I imagine the pigment may have a tendency to settle to the bottom when the ink has been still for extended periods of time. I have no idea of how the Noodlers waterproof inks work, but perhaps they use a similar formulation. Giovanni "JK" wrote in message . 1.4... I was one of those who picked up a Pelikan 605 in the Levengers sale. Gave it its first fill of the wonderful Noodler's Black, and started writing....and was surprised to see a line of ink that was distinctly "mid- grey" rather than the normal dense black I'm used to from Noodler's (which I only bought for the first time a couple of months ago). It then occurred to me that the bottle has not been touched for several weeks. Although I was sure I had read many times that ink bottles never need to be shaken, I emptied the 605, gave the bottle of Noodler's a gentle shake, and re-filled, and started writing. And behold, a wonderful dense black line appears.... JohnK |
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No need to shake it. Use it right out of the bottle as is. When the bottle is
used up, it will look like a 1950's bottle - inky at the bottom. If your flow is reduced - and you leave the bottle open for a long time you can add a little water to pref. (you should fill the pen and close the bottle promptly, as the water used in the ink is chemically as pure as can be made and it would be wise to preserve from evaporation loss). A cellulose reactive ink can be killed, however - if you add certain chemicals while still in liquid form (if one pen has a highly acidic ink or ink containing salts - rinse it out VERY well before filling with a cellulose reactive ink, and don't mix from that pen into the cellulose reactive ink if not rinsed clean). Cellulose reactive inks are fragile - only AFTER drying on paper will they become durable vrs. the enemies of certain chemicals and salts (and also immune to just about everything else...including the tools of the forger). It is a type of lattice ink, as the dye sits on the opposite side of the water lattice vrs. normal inks. The first cellulose reactive ink (the black) has been in test pens continuously since introduction - including a Kaweco sport ink ball for months as well. It has performed flawlessly and the first triumph plunger filler that still has its first filling in it - still writes on the first stroke (note, it is a sealed cap pen that does not generally have drying problems - thus the many months - since March - of still writing wet the moment it touches the page). My main concern with such inks has always been that people follow the maintenance advised by manufacturers (rinse before storage, rinse before changing inks - regular tap water is fine). Giovanni ----is it true you are an airship/lighter than air veteran? If so, let me know. I have a lot of info. for you. |
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Giovanni/Penny,
Thanks for your responses. I guess it's difficult to get a definitive response to this one. How does your 605 compare in size to 800? Thanks, Penny Can't really answer in detail, Penny. I've only played with an 800 once, briefly, and that was some time ago. Memory is too vague. Pelikan 605 feels right for me in terms of size, although if I'm being fussy, my ideal pen would be a touch heavier. For what I guess is a medium- sized pen, it's actually quite light. The Levenger sale price is a fair deal for such a good writer. The 605 and the Filcao Leader will be my main pens for some time to come: very different pens, but both a pleasure to use. The best bargain I've bought recently though, is a couple of Pelikan 75s (new on eBay Germany). About £5 ($8) each, and a piston filler with a decent medium nib. Nothing like it for the money today. JohnK |
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On 2 Oct 2004 22:59:03 GMT, JK
wrote: I was one of those who picked up a Pelikan 605 in the Levengers sale. Gave it its first fill of the wonderful Noodler's Black, and started writing....and was surprised to see a line of ink that was distinctly "mid- grey" rather than the normal dense black I'm used to from Noodler's (which I only bought for the first time a couple of months ago). It wasn't a problem of flow, definitely a problem of intensity, and not a subtle one. It looked watery. Kept writing for a while, but it didn't improve. I've just had the same experience. I wrote about it more later in this thread. It then occurred to me that the bottle has not been touched for several weeks. Although I was sure I had read many times that ink bottles never need to be shaken, I emptied the 605, gave the bottle of Noodler's a gentle shake, and re-filled, and started writing. And behold, a wonderful dense black line appears.... I'm not getting that black line yet. I think I'm still getting the ink in the feed from the original filling. I'm refilling cartridges, which I clean out thoroughly before refilling. I hope I get that black line soon. |
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