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APS working with ebay to crack down on fakes, reproductions etc.
The APS (main stamp collecting organization in the US) is working with Ebay
in cracking down on fake, facsimilie and reproduction stamps. Stamps have to be clearly marked as such on the stamp itself. Of course you can see what I am leading to. - If the APS can work with Ebay on cracking down on stamp fraud why can't the ANA do the same with coins? |
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JSTONE9352 wrote:
The APS (main stamp collecting organization in the US) is working with Ebay in cracking down on fake, facsimilie and reproduction stamps. Stamps have to be clearly marked as such on the stamp itself. Of course you can see what I am leading to. - If the APS can work with Ebay on cracking down on stamp fraud why can't the ANA do the same with coins? I don't know diddley about stamp-collecting, or philatey or whatever it's called, but I'd be shocked senseless if counterfeiting was a smaller problem for than it is for coin collectors (aka numismatists gesundheit theank you you're welcome). Printing repros of those would seem to be an easier assignment than creating dies and striking bogus metal rarities, I'd think. So the APS may be somewhat more motivated to deal with the problem than the ANA, which has not exactly been 'progressive' in consumer protection issues of late. They were involved with HPA, so this would seem to be an involvement that varies with time. Given that someone can (apparently without repercussion) purchase lots of 100 fraudulent Trade Dollars at a time from ebaY, I do wish someone would rattle their chain. That's little more than wholesaling fake Rolexes. Alan '1,573,700 minted (but more are appearing daily)' |
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Alan & Erin Williams wrote:
That's little more than wholesaling fake Rolexes. I was recently in NYC on a business trip. While sightseeing in Times Square, a gentleman presented me with a vast array of timepieces in a tray that he wore as an extension of his chest, affixed with a thick leather strap that went around the back of his neck to hold it securely in place. He was in hopes that I was in a purchasing mood and he was quick to show me various models, styles, and colors. He was in luck, as I spotted a beauty (a Rolex) that I really wanted to bring home with me. He quoted me a price that was far more than I would have paid for even the finest of timepieces. In the protracted discussion that ensued, he lowered the price several times. I finally walked away, hurling my final offer over my shoulder. Ostensibly being loathe to lose a sale, he ran after me and ultimately sold me the watch for $12. It's a dandy, and I enjoy wearing it and dazzling my friends and coworkers. Larry 'Not certain whether it's a genuine Rolex or not' |
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sure its not a "rolax"? an acquaintance of mine had one of those.
"Larry Louks" wrote in message news:jcPlb.3011$9E1.19408@attbi_s52... Alan & Erin Williams wrote: That's little more than wholesaling fake Rolexes. I was recently in NYC on a business trip. While sightseeing in Times Square, a gentleman presented me with a vast array of timepieces in a tray that he wore as an extension of his chest, affixed with a thick leather strap that went around the back of his neck to hold it securely in place. He was in hopes that I was in a purchasing mood and he was quick to show me various models, styles, and colors. He was in luck, as I spotted a beauty (a Rolex) that I really wanted to bring home with me. He quoted me a price that was far more than I would have paid for even the finest of timepieces. In the protracted discussion that ensued, he lowered the price several times. I finally walked away, hurling my final offer over my shoulder. Ostensibly being loathe to lose a sale, he ran after me and ultimately sold me the watch for $12. It's a dandy, and I enjoy wearing it and dazzling my friends and coworkers. Larry 'Not certain whether it's a genuine Rolex or not' |
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In article jcPlb.3011$9E1.19408@attbi_s52, "Larry Louks"
wrote: [snip] Ostensibly being loathe to lose a sale, he ran after me and ultimately sold me the watch for $12. It's a dandy, and I enjoy wearing it and dazzling my friends and coworkers. Larry 'Not certain whether it's a genuine Rolex or not' One knockoff artist with a sense of humor left off the right side of the "R", making it appear to be an "F" ... "Folex" (presumably pronounced "faux-lex") seemed quite appropriate. -- Ken Barr Numismatics P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com San Jose, CA 95152 (souvenir cards, MPC, Hickey Bros tokens) 408-272-3247 Next show: Peninsula CC, San Jose, 11/9, no table) ADVANCED NOTICE: ANA World's Fair of Money, San Jose, CA 7/27-31/2005 |
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Alan & Erin Williams wrote in message ...
JSTONE9352 wrote: The APS (main stamp collecting organization in the US) is working with Ebay in cracking down on fake, facsimilie and reproduction stamps. Stamps have to be clearly marked as such on the stamp itself. Of course you can see what I am leading to. - If the APS can work with Ebay on cracking down on stamp fraud why can't the ANA do the same with coins? I don't know diddley about stamp-collecting, or philatey or whatever it's called, but I'd be shocked senseless if counterfeiting was a smaller problem for than it is for coin collectors (aka numismatists gesundheit theank you you're welcome). Printing repros of those would seem to be an easier assignment than creating dies and striking bogus metal rarities, I'd think. So the APS may be somewhat more motivated to deal with the problem than the ANA, which has not exactly been 'progressive' in consumer protection issues of late. They were involved with HPA, so this would seem to be an involvement that varies with time. Given that someone can (apparently without repercussion) purchase lots of 100 fraudulent Trade Dollars at a time from ebaY, I do wish someone would rattle their chain. That's little more than wholesaling fake Rolexes. Alan '1,573,700 minted (but more are appearing daily)' From what I understand the counterfeiting problem with stamps was getting so bad on Ebay that they felt they had to do something so the arrangement with APS was worked out. Exactly how it works I don't know but I assume that APS does not have someone in front of a computer checking on every stamp auction on Ebay looking for fake stamps Most likely it is probably something like this: Someone sends a complaint to Ebay about a potential fraudulent stamp, they send the info and URL to APS who checks it out either at their headquarters or sends it via email to an expert in that field. Since you only have the image and not the actual item it does limit you to some extent but as has been shown in this newsgroup certain fake coins can easily be spotted from a picture. The ANA has a ton of expertise in spotting fakes and many experts on certain series of coins. If the APS can do it for stamps I don't see why the ANA could not do it for coins (if they wanted to). I doubt that Ebay would turn down such an offer, they have gotten enough bad media stories about fakes being sold on their auction site I'm sure they would welcome the expertise the ANA could offer. |
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On 23 Oct 2003 09:57:17 -0700, (John Stone) wrote:
Someone sends a complaint to Ebay about a potential fraudulent stamp, they send the info and URL to APS who checks it out either at their headquarters or sends it via email to an expert in that field. There was an article about this sometime back in Linn's Stamp New. Though I don't remember the particulars, it was a streamlined system dependent upon reports from eBay users, as you suggest. BLReed To email me click he http://tinyurl.com/nd66 For collector coins and supplies at fair prices: http://tinyurl.com/pt9r Cool things: http://www.byronreed.com/byrons_collections/default.htm Talk bust coins: http://www.byronreed.com/phpBB2/index.php |
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The main sticking point is
that the ANA has no enforcement over non-members. I'm not sure I see what difference this makes. They are determining whether something is authentic or not. It is Ebay doing the enforcing on their website. Ebay is going to an outside authority for help, why should the potential offender have to be a member of an organization Ebay is going to for advice? In order to gain enforcement capacity, Ebay would have to make ANA membership a prerequisite for selling on its site. Enforcement of what? Ebay rules? This makes no sense to me. So the ANA can't determine whether something is genuine unless the person is an ANA member and that is a requirement needed for Ebay to boot the offender? They are enforcing Ebay rules, not ANA rules. If an agreement was to be made, the ANA would face substantial expense for new staff and facilities to handle the complaints I don't believe that, if the URL was sent to experts around the country to determine authenticity where is the great expense for the ANA? Without a subsidy from Ebay, I don't see it happening. You are probably right on that. It looks like the ANA is just putting up a lot of BS roadblocks as an excuse to do nothing. I would be interested in what the APS did to make this work for them and Ebay. I'll bet they didn't put up a lot of silly roadblocks like the ANA is doing. I believe the ANA executive director is a lawyer isn't he? I think that explains a lot. |
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The APS (main stamp collecting organization in the US) is working with Ebay
in cracking down on fake, facsimilie and reproduction stamps. Stamps have to be clearly marked as such on the stamp itself. Of course you can see what I am leading to. - If the APS can work with Ebay on cracking down on stamp fraud why can't the ANA do the same with coins? Can't or won't? There are none that are more "can't" than those that "won't" IME... |
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