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Venting
I suppose I just need to get this out. I just received what I consider
to be a very distressing notice from a pen site (usually goes by a three letter acronym). There is currently a discussion regarding the nature of their board, and one of my posts was redacted for what I consider to be questionable reasons. The what's and why's don't really matter. What matters to me is the fact that the action was taken without warning or discussion. It was an admittedly hostile opposing post, but then my opinion regarding what is happening is hostile and in opposition. I called into question the manner in which moderation is acheived. That post was cut. Too sad really. -- macaddicted Wisdom is radiant and unfading and she is easily discerned by those who love her and is found by those who seek her. Wisdom 6:12 (NRSV) |
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In news:1ihir31.m7g2uz7gjf9iN%macaddicted@REMOVETHISc a.rr.com,
macaddicted wrote: What matters to me is the fact that the action was taken without warning or discussion. I missed whatever led to the Chatter Forum's shutdown, because I rarely check it. I'd just cut them some slack, go on to other things and let it get sorted out in its own time -- their abruptness probably has more to do with being harried than with being hostile. Brian -- |
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"Brian Ketterling" wrote in message ... In news:1ihir31.m7g2uz7gjf9iN%macaddicted@REMOVETHISc a.rr.com, macaddicted wrote: What matters to me is the fact that the action was taken without warning or discussion. I missed whatever led to the Chatter Forum's shutdown, because I rarely check it. I'd just cut them some slack, go on to other things and let it get sorted out in its own time -- their abruptness probably has more to do with being harried than with being hostile. Brian -- Hey, we are seasoned here! We were blessed by Frank Dubiel! (RIP Frank...we miss you) |
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Brian Ketterling wrote:
I missed whatever led to the Chatter Forum's shutdown, because I rarely check it. I'd just cut them some slack, go on to other things and let it get sorted out in its own time -- their abruptness probably has more to do with being harried than with being hostile. It probably has to do with the fact that they'd like to keep the site commercial-free and the chatter forum was using up a huge chunk of the site's bandwidth. If there were enough people who wanted to put in the time to moderate AND also enough money AND enough bandwidth, it probably wouldn't have been an issue. That said, I think allowing religion or politics on a web forum dedicated to neither is never a good idea. -- _Deirdre web: http://deirdre.net blog: http://dsmoen.livejournal.com/ "Memes are a hoax! Pass it on!" |
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Brian Ketterling wrote:
In news:1ihir31.m7g2uz7gjf9iN%macaddicted@REMOVETHISc a.rr.com, macaddicted wrote: What matters to me is the fact that the action was taken without warning or discussion. I missed whatever led to the Chatter Forum's shutdown, because I rarely check it. I'd just cut them some slack, go on to other things and let it get sorted out in its own time -- their abruptness probably has more to do with being harried than with being hostile. Brian Yes, there is nothing quite like benevolent despotism. -- macaddicted Wisdom is radiant and unfading and she is easily discerned by those who love her and is found by those who seek her. Wisdom 6:12 (NRSV) |
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macaddicted wrote:
The what's and why's don't really matter. What matters to me is the fact that the action was taken without warning or discussion. It was an admittedly hostile opposing post, but then my opinion regarding what is happening is hostile and in opposition. I called into question the manner in which moderation is acheived. That post was cut. Too sad really. Macaddicted, a lot of people are feeling the loss of the Chatter forum. I'm not going to make judgments about what happened, because I don't have (and don't care to have) all the info. What I know happened on another forum (where I did criticize what happened in a similar situation): the forum had been sued by a PoS. Hiding the forum and its history seems to go along more with the "ZOMG, something big just happened" theory than the "straw/camel" theory. Just a thought. -- _Deirdre web: http://deirdre.net blog: http://dsmoen.livejournal.com/ "Memes are a hoax! Pass it on!" |
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Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
macaddicted wrote: The what's and why's don't really matter. What matters to me is the fact that the action was taken without warning or discussion. It was an admittedly hostile opposing post, but then my opinion regarding what is happening is hostile and in opposition. I called into question the manner in which moderation is acheived. That post was cut. Too sad really. Macaddicted, a lot of people are feeling the loss of the Chatter forum. I'm not going to make judgments about what happened, because I don't have (and don't care to have) all the info. What I know happened on another forum (where I did criticize what happened in a similar situation): the forum had been sued by a PoS. Hiding the forum and its history seems to go along more with the "ZOMG, something big just happened" theory than the "straw/camel" theory. Just a thought. I posted on FPN that I don't want Chatter to go away, but it is the admins decision. What I don't like, and I don't respect, is how dishonest the admins are being with the members. Ruaidhri just posted that the admins have been pulling posts (mine was one of them) out of the thread: http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/fo...topic=64343&vi ew=findpost&p=622833 . If that is the case then why were they not doing so with the troublesome posts in Chatter? If there are rules than we, as members, should know them and be held to them. But everything the admins have done this weekend has been, to me, very arbitrary. If Chatter is too much trouble than say so and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Pull posts, pull threads, suspend or ban members who continue to act incorrectly. But don't shut down what is evidently your most popular forum on the board because you don't want to deal with it. Since there is no owner, as Ruaidhri has also said, the admins are the caretakers of FPN and have a responsibility to act in a open and fair way with the members. Which is what I said. Which is what was redacted. Which is why I am posting here and not there. For if I were to post there the language would be something a Seargant Major could appreciate. I meant what I said in another post here that the admins are acting like benevolent despots. Ruaidhri has also said that the purpose of Chatter was to discuss non-pen related topics. I have the sneaking suspicion that Chatter getting out of control was the excuse and not the reason. I keep hearing about bandwidth and storage on the server. If that is the reason then tell us. At least it would be honest. But telling us Chatter was getting out of control because they lacked the will or the desire to solve the problem is escapism at best. BTW, I posted much of what I said above on FPN and it was yanked. Other things have come out since last night that have continued to lower my opinion of the admins, which I didn't think was possible. Somehow every solution except for the admins stepping up and actually taking responsibility for fixing the problem has been suggested (or at least left visible). But the whole "some members were acting poorly" line doesn't fly with me. -- macaddicted Wisdom is radiant and unfading and she is easily discerned by those who love her and is found by those who seek her. Wisdom 6:12 (NRSV) |
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On Mon, 26 May 2008 03:00:42 -0400, "Brian Ketterling"
wrote: In news:1ihir31.m7g2uz7gjf9iN%macaddicted@REMOVETHISc a.rr.com, macaddicted wrote: What matters to me is the fact that the action was taken without warning or discussion. I missed whatever led to the Chatter Forum's shutdown, because I rarely check it. I'd just cut them some slack, go on to other things and let it get sorted out in its own time -- their abruptness probably has more to do with being harried than with being hostile. Well, what happens, I think, is rabid FPN'ers hound the moderators and the moderators take action as a result. The moderators are to blame for caving in. They let all sorts of things go by on FPN, but when somebody is disagreeing about something--especially in the religious/politcal chatter forum, the rabid right wingers whiners to the dip**** moderators. |
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FPN: A Very Censored Forum!
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On Mon, 26 May 2008 10:40:27 -0700, Deirdre Saoirse Moen
wrote: Brian Ketterling wrote: I missed whatever led to the Chatter Forum's shutdown, because I rarely check it. I'd just cut them some slack, go on to other things and let it get sorted out in its own time -- their abruptness probably has more to do with being harried than with being hostile. It probably has to do with the fact that they'd like to keep the site commercial-free and the chatter forum was using up a huge chunk of the site's bandwidth. If there were enough people who wanted to put in the time to moderate AND also enough money AND enough bandwidth, it probably wouldn't have been an issue. Deidre, don't try to take up for those dip****s. You know damn well they censor certain political and religious thought in chatter. And next time you're on FPN, invite your asshole friends to come discuss it on the usenet. |
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