Question re. Tete-Beche

Are stamps considered Tete-Beche even if they are divided by a center
gutter or only if the are attached directly to each other ?.
Thanks

"Alan" skrev i en meddelelse
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Are stamps considered Tete-Beche even if they are divided by a center
gutter or only if the are attached directly to each other ?.
Thanks

I would believe only if they are attached directly to each other, since the
center gutter is often used in the production of booklets.
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"Alan" wrote in message
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Are stamps considered Tete-Beche even if they are divided by a center
gutter or only if the are attached directly to each other ?.
Thanks

I believe that they would be described as tete-beche simply to describe that
they were inverted with respect to one another - regardless of whether they
were separated by a gutter or not.

The fact that a pair of stamps is tete-beche does not of course imply any
special value - that depends entirely on the circumstances. That particular
orientation might be entirely normal in the issued sheets but if the
exisrence of the pair resulted from a failure to guillotine the sheet as
intended, then the item could be quite valuable.

I believe that the tete-beche variant of the 1929 1a definitive of India (SG
203) can exist with or without a dividing gutter. My copy has no gutter but
copies with the gutter can, I speculate, come only from the central columns
of the sheet and are less common as a result. Perhaps an expert in this
issue could advise?

Regards, Roger

Roger Smith wrote:
"Alan" wrote in message
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Are stamps considered Tete-Beche even if they are divided by a center
gutter or only if the are attached directly to each other ?.
Thanks


I believe that they would be described as tete-beche simply to describe that
they were inverted with respect to one another - regardless of whether they
were separated by a gutter or not.

The fact that a pair of stamps is tete-beche does not of course imply any
special value - that depends entirely on the circumstances. That particular
orientation might be entirely normal in the issued sheets but if the
exisrence of the pair resulted from a failure to guillotine the sheet as
intended, then the item could be quite valuable.

I believe that the tete-beche variant of the 1929 1a definitive of India (SG
203) can exist with or without a dividing gutter. My copy has no gutter but
copies with the gutter can, I speculate, come only from the central columns
of the sheet and are less common as a result. Perhaps an expert in this
issue could advise?

Regards, Roger


Strangely enough, that is the stamp I am talking about !!
Alan

What you describe would be called a tête-bêche gutter pair.

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"Alan" skrev i en meddelelse
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Are stamps considered Tete-Beche even if they are divided by a center
gutter or only if the are attached directly to each other ?.
Thanks

I would believe only if they are attached directly to each other, since the
center gutter is often used in the production of booklets.
--
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Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette)
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Alan a pensé très fort :
Are stamps considered Tete-Beche even if they are divided by a center gutter

I think NO, I collect Switzerland where you have such stamps and
Zumstein doesn't tell those pairs as "tête bêche" but as "se tenant"
with a gutter (pont in French, Zwischensteg in German)!!

or only if the are attached directly to each other

YES


have a nice day (here 8.20 am)

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Jean-Paul DROGER (enlever "anti." et remplacer "ptt" par "wanadoo" pour
me joindre en perso; remove "anti." and replace "ptt" by "wanadoo" to
answer me directly)

Alan wrote :

Strangely enough, that is the stamp I am talking about !!


He he he, Alan !

A world cruise ???

;-)

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Pierre Courtiade
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If the term had originated from bibliography, I'd suggest
the determinant would be that they be connected, in whichever way
and that one image be inverted.

Tête-bêche(tet besh')
A form of binding in which the text of one work begins at the
"front" and the text of another at the "back," head to tail, with
the texts being inverted with respect to one another. Such a
volume usually includes two or more separate works or
versions of the same work(s). Synonymous with inverted
pages. Tête-bêche example here. Compare with dos-a-dos.
Tête-bêche is also a philately term for a pair of stamps,
one of which has been printed inverted.

Note: Tête-bêche can also be spelled tete-beche


http://bibliomania.net/Glossary.html

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Albumen

ALBUMEN PRINT
A photographic print made on paper on which egg whites
(albumen) are coated in order to increase the paper's
sensitivity and tonal qualities. The details of the albumen
print process were first published in 1858.
Egg whites were beaten to a froth and drops of a saturated
solution of potassium nitrate were added together with a
solution of silver nitrate.

Gustave Le Gray, Hunt & Pollack were early users of the
method which then dominated photography for the next
forty years. Albumen prints were the state of the art in
photography prints on paper from about 1855 until about 1895.

The range of tones and detail in the shadow area as well
as in the highlights is a special feature of this paper.
The tonal quality was sometimes better than that of
modern studio portrait prints.

An albumen print can always be identified by the sheen
on the paper surface due to "egginess" of the albumen mixture.




| Are stamps considered Tete-Beche even if they are divided by a center
| gutter or only if the are attached directly to each other ?.
| Thanks
|
| I believe that they would be described as tete-beche simply to describe that
| they were inverted with respect to one another - regardless of whether they
| were separated by a gutter or not.
|
| The fact that a pair of stamps is tete-beche does not of course imply any
| special value - that depends entirely on the circumstances. That particular
| orientation might be entirely normal in the issued sheets but if the
| exisrence of the pair resulted from a failure to guillotine the sheet as
| intended, then the item could be quite valuable.
|
| I believe that the tete-beche variant of the 1929 1a definitive of India (SG
| 203) can exist with or without a dividing gutter. My copy has no gutter but
| copies with the gutter can, I speculate, come only from the central columns
| of the sheet and are less common as a result. Perhaps an expert in this
| issue could advise?
|
| Regards, Roger
|
|

I collect Netherlands and (former) colonies and in the Dutch "Speciale
Catalogus" tête-bêche means that the stamps are directly attached to
eachother. If a gutter is present it is called "tête-bêche with gutter".
Prices are quite different.
Well known example is 7,5 ct Queen Wilhelmina from 1924, which exists in
both ways.

Regards

Ton van Reenen

"DROGER Jean-Paul" schreef in bericht
...
Alan a pensé très fort :
Are stamps considered Tete-Beche even if they are divided by a center
gutter

I think NO, I collect Switzerland where you have such stamps and
Zumstein doesn't tell those pairs as "tête bêche" but as "se tenant"
with a gutter (pont in French, Zwischensteg in German)!!

or only if the are attached directly to each other

YES


have a nice day (here 8.20 am)

--
Jean-Paul DROGER (enlever "anti." et remplacer "ptt" par "wanadoo" pour
me joindre en perso; remove "anti." and replace "ptt" by "wanadoo" to
answer me directly)

"Rodney" wrote in message
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If the term had originated from bibliography, I'd suggest
the determinant would be that they be connected, in whichever way
and that one image be inverted.

Tête-bêche(tet besh')
A form of binding in which the text of one work begins at the
"front" and the text of another at the "back," head to tail, with
the texts being inverted with respect to one another. Such a
volume usually includes two or more separate works or
versions of the same work(s). Synonymous with inverted pages.
(snip)

Rodney

I believe we have seen this on occasion in the fashion supplements of some
of our newspapers. Starting from one end is everthing to do with mens
fashions and starting at the other end is everything to do with womens
fashions.

I have always been disappointed when the editor has not been more
imaginative in dealing with the meeting of the two ends in 69-fashion (so to
speak) in the middle.
:-)
Regards, Roger