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Hello Pierre, Marianne
In my Marianne collection there is what Scott calls; Sabine, after
David (1977), Liberty, after Delacroix (1982), Marianne with no name (1990) and Marianne with no name (1997). Sabine looks Marianne, the Liberty does not. In your opinion are these two Mariannes? Can you add to the 1990 Marianne name. The 1997 Marianne I call flowing hair variety. I suppose using the Scott image number isn't so bad after all. Ralphael, the OLD one |
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Hello Pierre, Marianne
Ralphael1 wrote:
In my Marianne collection there is what Scott calls; Sabine, after David (1977), Liberty, after Delacroix (1982), Marianne with no name (1990) and Marianne with no name (1997). Sabine looks Marianne, the Liberty does not. In your opinion are these two Mariannes? Can you add to the 1990 Marianne name. The 1997 Marianne I call flowing hair variety. I suppose using the Scott image number isn't so bad after all. Ralphael, the OLD one Dear Ralphael, the OLD one, Maybe this list will help. According to this the 1990 Marianne is Bicentenial Marianne (Marianne du Bicentenaire) and the 1997 Marianne, with the flowing hair, is Marianne of July 14th (Marianne du 14 juillet). 1900-02 Mouchon 1900-27 Merson 1900-29 Blanc 1903-60 Sower - ligned 1906-38 Sower - cameo 1922-26 Pasteur 1932-39 Peace 1938-42 Mercure 1939-44 Iris 1941-42 Pétain 1941-66 Coat of Arms and Heraldry 1944 Coq et Marianne d'Alger 1944-45 Arc of Triomphe 1944-45 Marianne of Dulac 1945-47 Ceres of Mazelin 1945-54 Marianne of Gandon 1955- Marianne of Muller 1957-59 Reaper 1959-60 Marianne à la Nef 1960 Marianne of Decaris 1961 Marianne of Cocteau 1962-65 Cock of Decaris 1967-70 Marianne of Cheffer 1971-76 Marianne of Béquet 1977-81 Sabine of Gandon 1982-90 Liberty of Gandon 1989-96 Bicentenial Marianne 1997-04 Marianne of July 14th 2004-.. Marianne of Lamouche Best regards, Sir Hystrix. |
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Hello Pierre, Marianne
Sir Hystrix a écrit :
Ralphael1 wrote: In my Marianne collection there is what Scott calls; Sabine, after David (1977), Liberty, after Delacroix (1982), Marianne with no name (1990) and Marianne with no name (1997). Sabine looks Marianne, the Liberty does not. In your opinion are these two Mariannes? Can you add to the 1990 Marianne name. The 1997 Marianne I call flowing hair variety. I suppose using the Scott image number isn't so bad after all. Ralphael, the OLD one Dear Ralphael, the OLD one, Maybe this list will help. According to this the 1990 Marianne is Bicentenial Marianne (Marianne du Bicentenaire) and the 1997 Marianne, with the flowing hair, is Marianne of July 14th (Marianne du 14 juillet). 1900-02 Mouchon 1900-27 Merson 1900-29 Blanc 1903-60 Sower - ligned 1906-38 Sower - cameo 1922-26 Pasteur 1932-39 Peace 1938-42 Mercure 1939-44 Iris 1941-42 Pétain 1941-66 Coat of Arms and Heraldry 1944 Coq et Marianne d'Alger 1944-45 Arc of Triomphe 1944-45 Marianne of Dulac 1945-47 Ceres of Mazelin 1945-54 Marianne of Gandon 1955- Marianne of Muller 1957-59 Reaper 1959-60 Marianne à la Nef 1960 Marianne of Decaris 1961 Marianne of Cocteau 1962-65 Cock of Decaris 1967-70 Marianne of Cheffer 1971-76 Marianne of Béquet 1977-81 Sabine of Gandon 1982-90 Liberty of Gandon 1989-96 Bicentenial Marianne 1997-04 Marianne of July 14th 2004-.. Marianne of Lamouche , and , Best regards, Sir Hystrix. Hello; some more info: 1989: also known as Marianne de (of) Briat 1997: Also known as Marianne de (of) Luquet after their designers names. Both were engraved by Jumelet. The 1982 Gandon's Liberty is after a painting from Delacroix, featuring the july 1830 fights in Paris. She wears the phrygian cap, which makes her a Marianne more than the 1977 Gandon's Sabine (after a painting by David, the Sabin women stopping the fight between Romans and Sabins). The Liberty is a fighting symbol, the Sabine is a peaceful one. The Sabine stamp was approved by Pdt Giscard d'Estaing, the Liberty stamp by Pdt Mitterand, and both may be seen as political symbols in the french context. -- Cordialement, Bruno |
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Hello Pierre, Marianne
text snipped for brevity... Sir Hystrix many thanks for the information, you solved my problem However, you created a problem with the addition of several Mariannes that I did not consider Mariannes. Now I must make a maximum effort to incorporate these into my collection. Maybe some day I will have all the Mariannes. The Sower and Farm Woman I seriously considered as a Marianne variety. Again, thank you very much for solving my problem and the addition of the new Mariannes. I am off to my local friendly stamp shop shortly in search of Marianne. I do not expect I will find but one or two. Ralphael, the OLD one |
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Hello Pierre, Marianne
Hello; some more info: 1989: also known as Marianne de (of) Briat 1997: Also known as Marianne de (of) Luquet after their designers names. Both were engraved by Jumelet. The 1982 Gandon's Liberty is after a painting from Delacroix, featuring the july 1830 fights in Paris. She wears the phrygian cap, which makes her a Marianne more than the 1977 Gandon's Sabine (after a painting by David, the Sabin women stopping the fight between Romans and Sabins). The Liberty is a fighting symbol, the Sabine is a peaceful one. The Sabine stamp was approved by Pdt Giscard d'Estaing, the Liberty stamp by Pdt Mitterand, and both may be seen as political symbols in the french context. -- Cordialement, Bruno Thank you Bruno for the history lesson. I just happen to be one of those vulgar Americans that know very little of French history. Because of you and Sir Hystrix it looks like I may have to rebuild much of my Marianne collection. Luckily most of it is in chronological/image order and can remain the same. Thanks again, Ra;phael, the OLD one |
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Hello Pierre, Marianne
Ralphael1 wrote :
text snipped for brevity... Sir Hystrix many thanks for the information, you solved my problem However, you created a problem with the addition of several Mariannes that I did not consider Mariannes. Now I must make a maximum effort to incorporate these into my collection. Maybe some day I will have all the Mariannes. The Sower and Farm Woman I seriously considered as a Marianne variety. Again, thank you very much for solving my problem and the addition of the new Mariannes. I am off to my local friendly stamp shop shortly in search of Marianne. I do not expect I will find but one or two. Ralphael, the OLD one Hello Ralph, I am really very sorry to answer your query (of 30 Dec. last year !) so late ... I was no more reading rcsd and now I have more than 500 posts to read .... Fortunately you got whithin a few hours from Sir Hystrix a very detailed and comprehensive list of Mariannes then another helpful addition from Bruno. The only thing I have to add is that I would be very keen to help in case you do not find a given Marianne in your local friendly stamp shop. And I am always pleased to read your posts in rcsd ! -- All the best, Pierre Courtiade to answer me, please replace NOSPAM by my family name |
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Hello Pierre, Marianne
I was no more reading rcsd and now I have more than 500 posts to read
Tch! Tch! welcome back Pierre. |
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Hello Pierre, Marianne
Pierre Courtiade wrote: Ralphael1 wrote : text snipped for brevity... more text snipped for brevity... Hello Ralph, I am really very sorry to answer your query (of 30 Dec. last year !) so late ... I was no more reading rcsd and now I have more than 500 posts to read ... Fortunately you got whithin a few hours from Sir Hystrix a very detailed and comprehensive list of Mariannes then another helpful addition from Bruno. The only thing I have to add is that I would be very keen to help in case you do not find a given Marianne in your local friendly stamp shop. And I am always pleased to read your posts in rcsd ! -- All the best, Pierre Courtiade I have responded to Pierre off line. He has graciously offered his assistence in filling the holes in my Marianne collection. I have been doing some research on Marianne and searching local shops and stamp shows for the lady. I have found many of my needs for just a few cents each. Today I am placing my acquisitions in my album and then I can determine what I need. There are several on Bruno's list that I do not care to collect because I feel they do not fall into the Marianne category. ( Ceres, Mercury and Cock.) I do not like the Dali version nor the Jean Eiffel version and will not include them in my collection. Thanks again everyone, you have nudged me into doing my homework on French history. Ralphael, the OLD one |
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Hello Pierre, Marianne
Ralphael1 wrote:
In my Marianne collection there is what Scott calls; Sabine, after David (1977), Liberty, after Delacroix (1982), Marianne with no name (1990) and Marianne with no name (1997). Sabine looks Marianne, the Liberty does not. In your opinion are these two Mariannes? Can you add to the 1990 Marianne name. The 1997 Marianne I call flowing hair variety. I suppose using the Scott image number isn't so bad after all. Ralphael, the OLD one Hey Ralphael, the OLD one, I don't know if you already knew about this but while I was looking and searching for an Andorra catalog, I came across this 96-page Yvert catalog for Marianne of Cheffer. For your information. http://www.kosel.com/c/sh/d.p?l=en;0=KAYVMA00;r=yvert Best regards, Sir Hystrix. |
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