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The View Autograph segment
On the view, Whoopi was hot, talking about autograph seekers. Her
peeve is that people bother her all the time and while she's eating etc she doesn't think people should ask for one. She argued with the new host Sheri Jackson who said that she sides with people who are say from "Alabama" who may never again have the opportunity to meet the celeb or get an autograph. Whoopi said she understood that, but what people need to realize is there could've been 50 people before that thinking the same thing; sucking up all her time and energy while she's trying to eat, shop or whatever. She does go on to say she gives autographs all the time but had to develop a tougher skin and learn to say "now is not the time; I am with my family" or other such things. I agree with Whoopi. I think Sheri has a point. Not noted in the conversations though were DEALERS. I am sure the topic on that would've been very interesting. On MSNBC.com, there was an autograph article about the best and worst signers (today) and on the list of BEST signers were Johnny Depp, Dakota Fanning, Jack Nicholson (wuh????) etc Worst: Scarlett Johannson, Juaquin Phoenix and Cameron Diaz |
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The View Autograph segment
I think the best and worst signers thing refers to in person rather than
TTM. What about Dealers? "Sue H" wrote in message ... On the view, Whoopi was hot, talking about autograph seekers. Her peeve is that people bother her all the time and while she's eating etc she doesn't think people should ask for one. She argued with the new host Sheri Jackson who said that she sides with people who are say from "Alabama" who may never again have the opportunity to meet the celeb or get an autograph. Whoopi said she understood that, but what people need to realize is there could've been 50 people before that thinking the same thing; sucking up all her time and energy while she's trying to eat, shop or whatever. She does go on to say she gives autographs all the time but had to develop a tougher skin and learn to say "now is not the time; I am with my family" or other such things. I agree with Whoopi. I think Sheri has a point. Not noted in the conversations though were DEALERS. I am sure the topic on that would've been very interesting. On MSNBC.com, there was an autograph article about the best and worst signers (today) and on the list of BEST signers were Johnny Depp, Dakota Fanning, Jack Nicholson (wuh????) etc Worst: Scarlett Johannson, Juaquin Phoenix and Cameron Diaz |
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The View Autograph segment
Yes; obviously it was about in person.
Dealers don't go up to celebs with one photo they don't mind personalized because "I'm from Alabama and may never get to see you again". That is unless they are liars... I am sure when they had this discussion, they are more obliging to REAL fans who may never get another opportunity like that again; rather than someone who continually turns up at every event with a bag of items to sign... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:55:23 GMT, "Richard B" wrote: I think the best and worst signers thing refers to in person rather than TTM. What about Dealers? "Sue H" wrote in message .. . On the view, Whoopi was hot, talking about autograph seekers. Her peeve is that people bother her all the time and while she's eating etc she doesn't think people should ask for one. She argued with the new host Sheri Jackson who said that she sides with people who are say from "Alabama" who may never again have the opportunity to meet the celeb or get an autograph. Whoopi said she understood that, but what people need to realize is there could've been 50 people before that thinking the same thing; sucking up all her time and energy while she's trying to eat, shop or whatever. She does go on to say she gives autographs all the time but had to develop a tougher skin and learn to say "now is not the time; I am with my family" or other such things. I agree with Whoopi. I think Sheri has a point. Not noted in the conversations though were DEALERS. I am sure the topic on that would've been very interesting. On MSNBC.com, there was an autograph article about the best and worst signers (today) and on the list of BEST signers were Johnny Depp, Dakota Fanning, Jack Nicholson (wuh????) etc Worst: Scarlett Johannson, Juaquin Phoenix and Cameron Diaz |
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So you are not keen on dealers then? )
"Sue H" wrote in message ... Yes; obviously it was about in person. Dealers don't go up to celebs with one photo they don't mind personalized because "I'm from Alabama and may never get to see you again". That is unless they are liars... I am sure when they had this discussion, they are more obliging to REAL fans who may never get another opportunity like that again; rather than someone who continually turns up at every event with a bag of items to sign... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:55:23 GMT, "Richard B" wrote: I think the best and worst signers thing refers to in person rather than TTM. What about Dealers? "Sue H" wrote in message . .. On the view, Whoopi was hot, talking about autograph seekers. Her peeve is that people bother her all the time and while she's eating etc she doesn't think people should ask for one. She argued with the new host Sheri Jackson who said that she sides with people who are say from "Alabama" who may never again have the opportunity to meet the celeb or get an autograph. Whoopi said she understood that, but what people need to realize is there could've been 50 people before that thinking the same thing; sucking up all her time and energy while she's trying to eat, shop or whatever. She does go on to say she gives autographs all the time but had to develop a tougher skin and learn to say "now is not the time; I am with my family" or other such things. I agree with Whoopi. I think Sheri has a point. Not noted in the conversations though were DEALERS. I am sure the topic on that would've been very interesting. On MSNBC.com, there was an autograph article about the best and worst signers (today) and on the list of BEST signers were Johnny Depp, Dakota Fanning, Jack Nicholson (wuh????) etc Worst: Scarlett Johannson, Juaquin Phoenix and Cameron Diaz |
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The View Autograph segment
Nothing against dealers per se; only if they ruin it for real
collectors. Not all do. On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:20:42 GMT, "Richard B" wrote: So you are not keen on dealers then? ) "Sue H" wrote in message .. . Yes; obviously it was about in person. Dealers don't go up to celebs with one photo they don't mind personalized because "I'm from Alabama and may never get to see you again". That is unless they are liars... I am sure when they had this discussion, they are more obliging to REAL fans who may never get another opportunity like that again; rather than someone who continually turns up at every event with a bag of items to sign... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:55:23 GMT, "Richard B" wrote: I think the best and worst signers thing refers to in person rather than TTM. What about Dealers? "Sue H" wrote in message ... On the view, Whoopi was hot, talking about autograph seekers. Her peeve is that people bother her all the time and while she's eating etc she doesn't think people should ask for one. She argued with the new host Sheri Jackson who said that she sides with people who are say from "Alabama" who may never again have the opportunity to meet the celeb or get an autograph. Whoopi said she understood that, but what people need to realize is there could've been 50 people before that thinking the same thing; sucking up all her time and energy while she's trying to eat, shop or whatever. She does go on to say she gives autographs all the time but had to develop a tougher skin and learn to say "now is not the time; I am with my family" or other such things. I agree with Whoopi. I think Sheri has a point. Not noted in the conversations though were DEALERS. I am sure the topic on that would've been very interesting. On MSNBC.com, there was an autograph article about the best and worst signers (today) and on the list of BEST signers were Johnny Depp, Dakota Fanning, Jack Nicholson (wuh????) etc Worst: Scarlett Johannson, Juaquin Phoenix and Cameron Diaz |
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The View Autograph segment
Sue's right. Dealers can ruin for the hobbyist.
I was out at our local charity event many years ago that was run by Bruce Smith. A mutual friend had 80 Bernie Kosar football cards to be signed. Bernie asked what he was going to do with 80 signed cards, and the friend said point blank, trade'm....yeah right. Bernie signed all 80 cards, but point blank told the friend I don't ever want to see your face again! 80 cards, unreal.... |
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The View Autograph segment
Dealers have this usefulness... to a degree. Joe Public that lives in the
mid-west will never see a celeb walking down their main street. This means that their chances of an IP experience is severely limited. With that said, if Joe Public happens to be on one of the coasts, his chances of an IP experience increases dramatically. That is, unless, you run into a pack of dealers. If a chance celeb meeting on the streets happens, those exact same odds again drop if a celeb is (insert he asked/harassed/put upon) to sign a stack of items for a single individual who just "happens" to have them on hand. The celeb is then not going to be in the mood to sign for the others gathered in the crowd that just has a single item. The "favor factor" that a celeb gives you by simply acknowledging you, is used up on an individual dealer's stack of photos and the fan that just stumbles upon the celeb is shut out. This means that the fan is left out in the cold with no autograph to mark the meeting. This, in turn, means that the fan is left to the option of, SURPRISE, buying from a dealer to get the autograph. I have a friend that was waiting outside a Broadway show with a small crowd. The celeb, who will remain nameless as I don't want to go into detail, said that he/she would sign autographs for all that was there with one speculation: if you have multiple items, he/she will charge a "dealer's fee" if you wanted the autographs. I found this to be an excellent idea and it might actually be a deterrent to greedy grabs. -- Mike Gummby3 -= Star Collector =- www.star-collector.net "pe2" wrote in message ... Sue's right. Dealers can ruin for the hobbyist. I was out at our local charity event many years ago that was run by Bruce Smith. A mutual friend had 80 Bernie Kosar football cards to be signed. Bernie asked what he was going to do with 80 signed cards, and the friend said point blank, trade'm....yeah right. Bernie signed all 80 cards, but point blank told the friend I don't ever want to see your face again! 80 cards, unreal.... |
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The View Autograph segment
I agree. There are times when a crowd has gathered and the celeb will
not even come over! the problem in NY or CA is mainly that the dealers and papparazzi follow and know the hangouts and hang there till they get their opportunity. It's not likely a celeb will see that and sign. It does ruin it. Not to mention another fact: Dealers compete with one another and this sometimes leads to pushing, shoving, name calling, cussing and other behavior that the celeb doesn't want to deal with. I've seen it happen. Oftentimes, fans are to blame too because they lack common sense. I remember being with one person talking to a band member who was playing with Huey Lewis (known to be in many bands). He was going to get Huey for us when another two ladies came over and got excited when they figured out what we were up to. The one is LOUD and yelling to others to come over! What a moron. He did come, but left VERY quickly because others came over because the girl was loud and annoying. She asked the most INANE questions that he's probably been asked a million times. I understand the excitement but control yourself and use common sense; lest you ruin it for yourself. It was a shame too because before that, we got Stef to have a cool conversation about past bands he was in and he was almost ready to dish the dirt! On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:31:02 GMT, "Gummby3" wrote: Dealers have this usefulness... to a degree. Joe Public that lives in the mid-west will never see a celeb walking down their main street. This means that their chances of an IP experience is severely limited. With that said, if Joe Public happens to be on one of the coasts, his chances of an IP experience increases dramatically. That is, unless, you run into a pack of dealers. If a chance celeb meeting on the streets happens, those exact same odds again drop if a celeb is (insert he asked/harassed/put upon) to sign a stack of items for a single individual who just "happens" to have them on hand. The celeb is then not going to be in the mood to sign for the others gathered in the crowd that just has a single item. The "favor factor" that a celeb gives you by simply acknowledging you, is used up on an individual dealer's stack of photos and the fan that just stumbles upon the celeb is shut out. This means that the fan is left out in the cold with no autograph to mark the meeting. This, in turn, means that the fan is left to the option of, SURPRISE, buying from a dealer to get the autograph. I have a friend that was waiting outside a Broadway show with a small crowd. The celeb, who will remain nameless as I don't want to go into detail, said that he/she would sign autographs for all that was there with one speculation: if you have multiple items, he/she will charge a "dealer's fee" if you wanted the autographs. I found this to be an excellent idea and it might actually be a deterrent to greedy grabs. |
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Yeah, and let's not forget about the TTM collectors that ruin it as well.
WHAT, TTM COLLECTORS RUIN IT dare I say!?!?! Yes, not a week goes by that you can't see a has-been TTM collector peddling his duplicates or left-over collection on ebay. As I stated once before, I am willing to bet at least 90% of all reading this will have their items sold some time in the future. Maybe not all, but a majority. Generally every month you can see that famous Jim Carrey Spank You Very Much signed TTM preprint or whatever that fugazi is. A lot of times when a celebrity sees that photo they gave freely TTM signed "TO BOB" pop up on ebay, I'm sure that's caused some resentment. There are also many TTM and in-person collectors who are just 'addicted' to autographs. You know the type. The ones with 3 binders full of photos, somehow justifying because they bought that celebrities dvd that they are entitled to consider themselves a big fan. Truth is, if you have more than say 10 autographs in your 'collection', it's a bit much, and could certainly qualify you for having contributed to the downfall of autographs of any number of celebrities. If you are one who pulls addresses off the net, think about how you would feel if all of a sudden someone posted your address on ebay, and said that hey, mail this guy and he'll give you a free $1 bill. How would it feel to have your home flooded with these requests? Yes, celebrities should expect mail requests and in person requests, but the fact is some just get burdened and overwhelmed by it. Here are my estimated statistics for a contribution to a downfall of autographs: dealers 20% TTM collectors and in-person collecting addicts 15% celebrities who don't appreciate the fact that they have 3 houses, 10 cars, and bank accounts that add up to all of ours combined who are brainwashed by agents who really have their hand in their pocket and think that anyone who sells their autograph for $50 is somehow having an affect on their life 30% Celebrities who are just burnt out of signing for any number of other reasons, some legitimate like Steven Tyler saying he's only signing guitars for Aids charities to increase the revenue for them 25% fans who are obnoxious 10% Even with these stats, the truth is, all it takes is persistence and some research and you can meet everyone you wanted, and that should be enough. Hell, when Eric Clapton let me hold his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction award rather than sign an autograph, it was damn well good enough for me, and I sell autographs for a living. But even still in today's times, everyone is signing in just about every scenario. In the end, it needs to be asked, where is this autograph going to end up? In a binder for you to keep forever? If that's the case, then you need to ask yourself, am I truly one of this celebrities biggest fans? If the answer is no, then when a dealer hawks the item on the net and it ends up with a mom buying it for their son as he is truly a huge fan, wouldn't that end result outweigh a dusty binder. I personally respect every aspect of the autograph hobby. TTM collectors, those hoarders, those fanatics who are truly fans, and all dealers. I've never downed any TTM collectors here, nor have I ever downed any legitimate dealer. I've helped fans get autographs, dealers get autographs, and TTM members as well. My only disrespect to the hobby are the forgers, and this is where the time needs to be spent. It's a plague. -- Michael Kasmar www.AutographPros.com Accredited Better Business Bureau Member Universal Autograph Collectors Club Registered Dealer #237 "Have you joined our website emailer yet? If not, go now to http://www.autographpros.com/newsletter.php and sign up. We have many exciting things to come there including exclusive sales and discounts, gifts and free prize give-aways, and updates to our in-person adventures with the stars." "Sue H" wrote in message ... I agree. There are times when a crowd has gathered and the celeb will not even come over! the problem in NY or CA is mainly that the dealers and papparazzi follow and know the hangouts and hang there till they get their opportunity. It's not likely a celeb will see that and sign. It does ruin it. Not to mention another fact: Dealers compete with one another and this sometimes leads to pushing, shoving, name calling, cussing and other behavior that the celeb doesn't want to deal with. I've seen it happen. Oftentimes, fans are to blame too because they lack common sense. I remember being with one person talking to a band member who was playing with Huey Lewis (known to be in many bands). He was going to get Huey for us when another two ladies came over and got excited when they figured out what we were up to. The one is LOUD and yelling to others to come over! What a moron. He did come, but left VERY quickly because others came over because the girl was loud and annoying. She asked the most INANE questions that he's probably been asked a million times. I understand the excitement but control yourself and use common sense; lest you ruin it for yourself. It was a shame too because before that, we got Stef to have a cool conversation about past bands he was in and he was almost ready to dish the dirt! On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:31:02 GMT, "Gummby3" wrote: Dealers have this usefulness... to a degree. Joe Public that lives in the mid-west will never see a celeb walking down their main street. This means that their chances of an IP experience is severely limited. With that said, if Joe Public happens to be on one of the coasts, his chances of an IP experience increases dramatically. That is, unless, you run into a pack of dealers. If a chance celeb meeting on the streets happens, those exact same odds again drop if a celeb is (insert he asked/harassed/put upon) to sign a stack of items for a single individual who just "happens" to have them on hand. The celeb is then not going to be in the mood to sign for the others gathered in the crowd that just has a single item. The "favor factor" that a celeb gives you by simply acknowledging you, is used up on an individual dealer's stack of photos and the fan that just stumbles upon the celeb is shut out. This means that the fan is left out in the cold with no autograph to mark the meeting. This, in turn, means that the fan is left to the option of, SURPRISE, buying from a dealer to get the autograph. I have a friend that was waiting outside a Broadway show with a small crowd. The celeb, who will remain nameless as I don't want to go into detail, said that he/she would sign autographs for all that was there with one speculation: if you have multiple items, he/she will charge a "dealer's fee" if you wanted the autographs. I found this to be an excellent idea and it might actually be a deterrent to greedy grabs. |
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The View Autograph segment
Please don't take my post as a slight to every dealer. There are some very
legit and helpful dealers, such as yourself, but there are also that percentage that hurt the hobby. The scenario I presented is that of the damaging dealers. In the case of TTM, the celeb has the option of tossing/RTSing the unsolicited mail away without even opening it as they would with any other junk mail. That is less intrusive than having items thrust in their faces. :-) Yes, there are the TTM addict fans too. The ones that have to have an autograph just to have it, AKA the autograph hound looking for another bone. I do agree that those personalized autographs that pop up for sale can, and do, sting more than the 10 other generically signed pictures would. This is especially true if we're dealing with a "flash in the pan" actor. That just proves that the "fan" was simply after the buck instead of the autograph. This is also true for older, established celebs. A prime example is Shirley Temple-Black. She used to be a great TTM signer, but the generic response now is that she does not like finding her personalized autographs on Ebay and that she does not have the staff to handle requests just for that result. That has been my main hope, with Star Collector, to help educate TTM collectors in the proper way of collecting. I know for a fact that my work has influenced many people from the emails that I receive. I'm definitely not deluded into thinking that my site has been warped by those literally going down the list of each name and sending a request simply because they are on the page. My hope is that they are in the minority. :-) There are good and bad influences on both sides of the fence. It is a shame that both are hurting the hobby... -- Mike Gummby3 -= Star Collector =- www.star-collector.net "AutographPros.com" wrote in message . .. Yeah, and let's not forget about the TTM collectors that ruin it as well. WHAT, TTM COLLECTORS RUIN IT dare I say!?!?! Yes, not a week goes by that you can't see a has-been TTM collector peddling his duplicates or left-over collection on ebay. As I stated once before, I am willing to bet at least 90% of all reading this will have their items sold some time in the future. Maybe not all, but a majority. Generally every month you can see that famous Jim Carrey Spank You Very Much signed TTM preprint or whatever that fugazi is. A lot of times when a celebrity sees that photo they gave freely TTM signed "TO BOB" pop up on ebay, I'm sure that's caused some resentment. There are also many TTM and in-person collectors who are just 'addicted' to autographs. You know the type. The ones with 3 binders full of photos, somehow justifying because they bought that celebrities dvd that they are entitled to consider themselves a big fan. Truth is, if you have more than say 10 autographs in your 'collection', it's a bit much, and could certainly qualify you for having contributed to the downfall of autographs of any number of celebrities. If you are one who pulls addresses off the net, think about how you would feel if all of a sudden someone posted your address on ebay, and said that hey, mail this guy and he'll give you a free $1 bill. How would it feel to have your home flooded with these requests? Yes, celebrities should expect mail requests and in person requests, but the fact is some just get burdened and overwhelmed by it. Here are my estimated statistics for a contribution to a downfall of autographs: dealers 20% TTM collectors and in-person collecting addicts 15% celebrities who don't appreciate the fact that they have 3 houses, 10 cars, and bank accounts that add up to all of ours combined who are brainwashed by agents who really have their hand in their pocket and think that anyone who sells their autograph for $50 is somehow having an affect on their life 30% Celebrities who are just burnt out of signing for any number of other reasons, some legitimate like Steven Tyler saying he's only signing guitars for Aids charities to increase the revenue for them 25% fans who are obnoxious 10% Even with these stats, the truth is, all it takes is persistence and some research and you can meet everyone you wanted, and that should be enough. Hell, when Eric Clapton let me hold his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction award rather than sign an autograph, it was damn well good enough for me, and I sell autographs for a living. But even still in today's times, everyone is signing in just about every scenario. In the end, it needs to be asked, where is this autograph going to end up? In a binder for you to keep forever? If that's the case, then you need to ask yourself, am I truly one of this celebrities biggest fans? If the answer is no, then when a dealer hawks the item on the net and it ends up with a mom buying it for their son as he is truly a huge fan, wouldn't that end result outweigh a dusty binder. I personally respect every aspect of the autograph hobby. TTM collectors, those hoarders, those fanatics who are truly fans, and all dealers. I've never downed any TTM collectors here, nor have I ever downed any legitimate dealer. I've helped fans get autographs, dealers get autographs, and TTM members as well. My only disrespect to the hobby are the forgers, and this is where the time needs to be spent. It's a plague. |
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