Help Me To Understand

"Maja" points out....

I often see barbed (sometimes veiled, sometimes not), jousting back and forth
between parties. Has this pretty well been taking place all along in this
newsgroup, or is the election of various organizational officers the catalyst
that has generated such posts?

It's a combination of factors, envy, jealousy, outright small mindedness and
petty garbage.

As the elected GrandMaster JJ SilverDollar, it's my job to keep trolls and
their shenanigans to a minimum, so as not to offend new potential members that
stop by. A relatively easy task, until challenged by one of the senior Troll Du
Jour Witless HalfCents like our Reid Goldsbooger or others too numerous to
name.

So.....Enjoy your visit and oh yeah, if someone should approach you off line,
soliciting dues for RCC Membership or looking to get something for nothing,
that would be our resident BogoMan Nicky the Numbnut Nickel. He and the Witless
HalfCent share a shopping cart, a Hibachi and a one bedroom Maytag Upright
corrugated carton under one of the RCC bridges. Just keep slinging insults at
him and eventually he'll go away or put you on his Memorial WebPage. The
BogoMan is an appointed position similar to the duties of a junkyard dog. Lotsa
bark, but no teeth.

Enjoy your visit. On behalf of all the Lincolnette Cents here at RCC, I wish
you a warm welcome and a font of numismaniacal bliss........

Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.
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On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:11:25 GMT, "Maja" is alleged to
have written:

Hi Folks,


Welcome!

I've just began reading here in this newsgroup a few weeks ago. I keenly
enjoy exploring things of interest in the realm of numismatics, and thus I
am really pleased to find this newsgroup.


Welcome to the collective!


Ostensibly there is a lot of saber rattling by different factions within the
group's readership. I often see barbed (sometimes veiled, sometimes not),
jousting back and forth between parties. Has this pretty well been taking
place all along in this newsgroup, or is the election of various
organizational officers the catalyst that has generated such posts? Thanks
for helping an oldster like me to understand.

First, it's not at all uncommon in usenet for newsgroups to factionalize. The
freewheeling nature of usenet makes it all but inevitable.

In here, there area few factions. A brief lowdown:

1) Reid vs the Anti Reids. Many heartfelt opinions have been exchanged between
these folks and some good discussions as well, but the threads rapidly
degenerate into Reid being attacked for past conduct and his writing techniques.


2) The ANA faction. I'm a member of this one, we spend most of our time trying
to get ANA board members who post to make substanisve comments on the issues of
the day. Current topics include the ugly new logo and how it came about and the
ANA election.

3) The AntiACG faction. I'm a member of this one as well. You can go to Eric's
webpage to get the details on ACG, I'll spare the rest of the group a repeat of
the details. COINGRADER is an ACG employee named Clayton and he's basically just
stirring things up.

4) The counterfeit bunch. One side feels that it's okay to collect counterfeits,
the other side feels it is not. Much legal noise slung by both sides, some
practical advice dispensed.

Most of the other curmudgeons here act on their own. :-)

Now, don't let any of this scare you off. Your killfile is your friend and you
can use it to taylor the newsgroup to your liking. One day we may be discussing
14th century dutch coinage, the next we may be discussing the differences
between the various grading services MS69's.

For myself, I like half cents, Early proofs and liberty 5c patterns. What do you
collect?

Bruce

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:11:25 GMT, "Maja" wrote:

Ostensibly there is a lot of saber rattling by different factions within the
group's readership. I often see barbed (sometimes veiled, sometimes not),
jousting back and forth between parties. Has this pretty well been taking
place all along in this newsgroup, or is the election of various
organizational officers the catalyst that has generated such posts? Thanks
for helping an oldster like me to understand.

I'm going to assume that this is not yet another only slightly veiled
troll message, that you are who you purport to be and that you are
posting this query honestly. I may be wrong. There have been a number
of posts like yours within the past few weeks asking about this
newsgroup that seem to have ulterior motives, which appear to have
been responded to, using different names, by the very person who
posted them.

This newsgroup is no different from many/most others. There's good
information and advice to be found here, and there are some really
dumb people who like to instigate. And there are some really bright
people who like to instigate. And there's lots of fellowship and humor
and all the rest. This group's messages fall along the old Bell curve,
with a few really great, a few really awful, and with most falling
along the continuum from fairly dull or chatty to moderately
interesting or useful.

If you want to see more interesting/useful messages, the best way to
promote this is to post them yourself.

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Reid Goldsborough adds....

There have been a number of posts like yours within the past few weeks asking
about this newsgroup that seem to have ulterior motives, which appear to have
been responded to, using different names, by the very person who posted them.

Our Witless HalfCent Reid, also holds title to being the Grandest PooBah of
Puppeteers. Those are posters who, as he explained, talk to themselves on line.
He had as many as 23 personalities going simultaneously just about last year at
this time, with 4-5 of them being outed at once.

If you want to see more interesting/useful messages, the best way to promote
this is to post them yourself.

See Maja? It's tragic. They don't even know they're doing it. Please don't fall
for this clearly pathetic advice to post and chat with yourself on line.

And above all, don't rile the HalfCent or he will explode on you with
cacophonies of irritating repetitive rants.

Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.
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"Maja" wrote in message
news:NZzMa.17431$926.647@sccrnsc03...
Hi Folks,

I've just began reading here in this newsgroup a few weeks ago. I keenly
enjoy exploring things of interest in the realm of numismatics, and thus I
am really pleased to find this newsgroup.

Ostensibly there is a lot of saber rattling by different factions within
the
group's readership. I often see barbed (sometimes veiled, sometimes not),
jousting back and forth between parties. Has this pretty well been taking
place all along in this newsgroup, or is the election of various
organizational officers the catalyst that has generated such posts? Thanks
for helping an oldster like me to understand.

-Maja

When I first started reading the group, I thought I had found an online
gentlemen's coin club. For quite awhile, I read nothing worst than good
advise sometimes delivered without tact. After reading the group for
awhile, I do not carry as gentle an impression of the group as I did when I
first started reading. It is my understanding that there were divisions
before I started posting and there has certainly been divisions since my
initial readings.

All possibilities of conflict or alliance are possible here. At times,
there have been factions develop between posters that are temporary, later
they will be allied and respectful of each other. There is likely
permanent conflict between some posters, given the different personalities
of posters and the different objectives posters have as reason to
participate in the group. Sometimes, I think I have seen bad blood arise
simply because it is not always easy to convey typed words with the intent
the words come into our minds. I, personally, have been misinterpretted a
few times, although I have easily explained my intentions and meanings
without causing further problems.

It is my understanding that this group does well when compared to most
newsgroups, when speaking of discordant correspondence. Rcc is the only
newsgroup I have frequented so I do not have personal experience.

Keep in mind, also, that there are times when the newsgroup is visited by a
poster whose only purpose is to disrupt. To one new to the group, it would
not be obvious when this occurs, at least not at once. I have been
impressed on an occasion or two when I innocently accepted a post as sincere
and others would immediately recognize the post is bogus. OTOH, there have
been a few times when someone has jumped on a new poster as insincere, and
have wrongly done so.

Arguments and debates should not be considered unnecessary noise in the
group, even when the heat level goes up a little. But, these type of
threads will sometimes turn personal, lose the topical content, and should
then be ignored or read for entertainment only, unless of course, one wants
to take sides. Again, all possibilities. HTH, Bill

Ian wrote:

As the duly self elected RCC Membership Dues collector I must make
correction to the post below.

All rcc dues (which are now in fact due) should be made payable to me,
and definitely not to the individuals named by JJ SilverBucks (including
JJ Silverbucks or any other individual claiming such authority).

I also take this opportunity to remind all `members' that lifetime
subscriptions are now available for a one-off payment of $39 (this IS a
limited time offer). Special discounts are available for family
memberships and individuals with zips at the back of their heads.

Contact me for further details and for a mail address for cash / cheque
payments or my paypal account. Credit card numbers (visa /mastercard/
american express) when accompanied by relevant personal data and
security codes are also welcomed here.

Thanking you in advance for your contributions, which are eagerly awaited.

The Rt. Hon. IM Swindler
RCC Membership Secretary (S/elect)

Jim wrote:
"Maja" points out....


I often see barbed (sometimes veiled, sometimes not), jousting back and forth

between parties. Has this pretty well been taking place all along in this
newsgroup, or is the election of various organizational officers the catalyst
that has generated such posts?

It's a combination of factors, envy, jealousy, outright small mindedness and
petty garbage.

As the elected GrandMaster JJ SilverDollar, it's my job to keep trolls and
their shenanigans to a minimum, so as not to offend new potential members that
stop by. A relatively easy task, until challenged by one of the senior Troll Du
Jour Witless HalfCents like our Reid Goldsbooger or others too numerous to
name.

So.....Enjoy your visit and oh yeah, if someone should approach you off line,
soliciting dues for RCC Membership or looking to get something for nothing,
that would be our resident BogoMan Nicky the Numbnut Nickel. He and the Witless
HalfCent share a shopping cart, a Hibachi and a one bedroom Maytag Upright
corrugated carton under one of the RCC bridges. Just keep slinging insults at
him and eventually he'll go away or put you on his Memorial WebPage. The
BogoMan is an appointed position similar to the duties of a junkyard dog. Lotsa
bark, but no teeth.

Enjoy your visit. On behalf of all the Lincolnette Cents here at RCC, I wish
you a warm welcome and a font of numismaniacal bliss........

Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.
--=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=--



Should the payment be made in a paper bag, by a brown shoed square, in the dead of night?

JAM

J. A. McNerney wrote:

Ian wrote:

As the duly self elected RCC Membership Dues collector I must make
correction to the post below.

All rcc dues (which are now in fact due) should be made payable to me,
and definitely not to the individuals named by JJ SilverBucks (including
JJ Silverbucks or any other individual claiming such authority).

I also take this opportunity to remind all `members' that lifetime
subscriptions are now available for a one-off payment of $39 (this IS a
limited time offer). Special discounts are available for family
memberships and individuals with zips at the back of their heads.

Contact me for further details and for a mail address for cash / cheque
payments or my paypal account. Credit card numbers (visa /mastercard/
american express) when accompanied by relevant personal data and
security codes are also welcomed here.

Thanking you in advance for your contributions, which are eagerly awaited.

The Rt. Hon. IM Swindler
RCC Membership Secretary (S/elect)

Jim wrote:

"Maja" points out....



I often see barbed (sometimes veiled, sometimes not), jousting back and forth

between parties. Has this pretty well been taking place all along in this
newsgroup, or is the election of various organizational officers the catalyst
that has generated such posts?

It's a combination of factors, envy, jealousy, outright small mindedness and
petty garbage.

As the elected GrandMaster JJ SilverDollar, it's my job to keep trolls and
their shenanigans to a minimum, so as not to offend new potential members that
stop by. A relatively easy task, until challenged by one of the senior Troll Du
Jour Witless HalfCents like our Reid Goldsbooger or others too numerous to
name.

So.....Enjoy your visit and oh yeah, if someone should approach you off line,
soliciting dues for RCC Membership or looking to get something for nothing,
that would be our resident BogoMan Nicky the Numbnut Nickel. He and the Witless
HalfCent share a shopping cart, a Hibachi and a one bedroom Maytag Upright
corrugated carton under one of the RCC bridges. Just keep slinging insults at
him and eventually he'll go away or put you on his Memorial WebPage. The
BogoMan is an appointed position similar to the duties of a junkyard dog. Lotsa
bark, but no teeth.

Enjoy your visit. On behalf of all the Lincolnette Cents here at RCC, I wish
you a warm welcome and a font of numismaniacal bliss........

Always here for my fellow syngraphist or oenophile.
--=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=--




Should the payment be made in a paper bag, by a brown shoed square, in the dead of night?

JAM

If we are talkin' `cash' the delivery method is not as important as its
safe arrival at the due destination....ie avec little old `moi'. ;-)

IM

Hi Reid,

I'm going to assume that this is not yet another only slightly veiled
troll message, that you are who you purport to be and that you are posting
this query honestly.

Well, let me quickly affirm that such would be an apt and proper assumption
on your part, then. I recognize that there are those who will seize any
opportunity to stir up strife and discord faster than a hungry roach can
jump on an unguarded Twinkie. But such is not my identity nor my
purpose. I simply saw after a few weeks of reading that there is a lot more
content here in the newsgroup than that which pertains strictly to coin
collecting.

Having read other posts (in response to my query of this morning) about
folks who assume different identities so as to talk to themselves here in
the postings, I can affirm that I do not converse with myself, neither
verbally nor by the written word. (At least, not yet. But I am getting
older, and one never knows what sort of unknown mental lapse may lie ahead
for the unsuspecting enthusiast.)

I think that I have been given some good advice, to simply choose what
appears to be of benefit to me, and to refrain from reading the comments of
those who aspire to be backbiters and mudslingers. Thus, I heartily endorse
such a posture, and will endeavor to gain as much good as is available to
me.

My thanks to all who replied to my post. I have a better sense as to what
this is all about now.

Sincerely,
Maja

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:49:12 GMT, "Maja" wrote:

My thanks to all who replied to my post. I have a better sense as to what
this is all about now.

Methinks you're as phony as an 1805 Bust dollar. Enjoy yourself.

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Glomming: Coin Connoisseurship: http://rg.ancients.info/glom

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:03:37 GMT, (Bruce
Hickmott) wrote:

1) Reid vs the Anti Reids. Many heartfelt opinions have been exchanged between
these folks and some good discussions as well, but the threads rapidly
degenerate into Reid being attacked for past conduct and his writing techniques.

Bruce Hickmott isn't as rabid as some of the others here, but the
above is total poppycock. His putting this as the number one
contentious "reality" here is funny, as if this is bigger than the ACG
controversy or the ANA vote or the market grading debate or the White
God racist and other troll junk and so on. What's more, in actual
reality, there are no Reid and Anti Reids. There are only Anti Reids.
I'm a chimera. The existence of the Anti Reids is an existential
necessity brought on by my use of words such as "chimera" and by my
having nicer coins than anybody else.

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Bogos: Counterfeit Coins: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos
Glomming: Coin Connoisseurship: http://rg.ancients.info/glom