(RCSD) Saar cataloguing help needed

Recently found two different pairs of stamps with printing flaws that might be described in Michel Saar-Spezial-Katalog
2002. I’m looking for help in deciding which of each pair is really the flaw. (There even is the possibility that
neither one is the flaw Michel is describing.)


The two pairs are shown at: http://cjoint.com/?kuedAqbKbf




75 centime: point on frame line above inner frame line at lower right. This is my translation of the German description:
Punkt auf Einfassungslinië über Innenrahmen rechts unten. The two stamps shown are different colors, but the printing
plates were the same. The green stamp with the plate flaw is Michel 95 V. The blackish stamp with the plate flaw is
Michel 101 V. The green stamp came from the Marcel Jaffes collection, which may add some credit to that cataloging. I
don’t know where the blackish stamp came from, but it was not directly from a known collector’s stock. Scott numbers are
111 (green) and 112 (blackish).


Is the dot between the frame line around the vignette (green, bottom stamp) or around the whole stamp (blackish, top
stamp)? The green stamp is one of a pair on a cover. I’ve merely positioned the blackish stamp above the green one for
scanning ease. Location of each dot is in a red circle.




20 centime: point in "0" of denomination "20." This is my translation of: Punkt in "0" der Wertangabe "20." The Michel
number is 110 1. Scott is #122.


Both stamps have dots. The dots are not in the same location. Which one, if either, is the correct dot? I’d guess the
large dot is the real variety, but there are some Michel plate flaws that are very, very tiny dots.


And help would be appreciated. I’m working on an exhibit for next year and would hate to mislead a viewer by displaying
an incorrect error.


Stan Fairchild

napoleon at voyager dot net

An RCSD regular answered privately, suggesting that the specific German words make the location of the dot on the green
stamp the probable printing flaw--corner of the vignette, not corner of the stamp. This gives three reasons to favor
that location--RCSD user, seller's own experience, and the claimed provenance of the item.

On the 20- centime, stamp, the private answer favored the larger dot as the flaw. That gives three reasons to favor
that choice--RCSD user, logic, and having found the next week the same large dot in the same place on a dealer copy of
the same stamp.

Thanks for looking, even if you were unable to provide an answer.

Stan

"Stan Fairchild" wrote in message . net...
Recently found two different pairs of stamps with printing flaws that might be described in Michel
Saar-Spezial-Katalog 2002. I'm looking for help in deciding which of each pair is really the flaw. (There even is the
possibility that neither one is the flaw Michel is describing.)


The two pairs are shown at: http://cjoint.com/?kuedAqbKbf




75 centime: point on frame line above inner frame line at lower right. This is my translation of the German
description: Punkt auf Einfassungslinië über Innenrahmen rechts unten. The two stamps shown are different colors, but
the printing plates were the same. The green stamp with the plate flaw is Michel 95 V. The blackish stamp with the
plate flaw is Michel 101 V. The green stamp came from the Marcel Jaffes collection, which may add some credit to that
cataloging. I don't know where the blackish stamp came from, but it was not directly from a known collector's stock.
Scott numbers are 111 (green) and 112 (blackish).


Is the dot between the frame line around the vignette (green, bottom stamp) or around the whole stamp (blackish, top
stamp)? The green stamp is one of a pair on a cover. I've merely positioned the blackish stamp above the green one for
scanning ease. Location of each dot is in a red circle.




20 centime: point in "0" of denomination "20." This is my translation of: Punkt in "0" der Wertangabe "20." The Michel
number is 110 1. Scott is #122.


Both stamps have dots. The dots are not in the same location. Which one, if either, is the correct dot? I'd guess the
large dot is the real variety, but there are some Michel plate flaws that are very, very tiny dots.


And help would be appreciated. I'm working on an exhibit for next year and would hate to mislead a viewer by
displaying an incorrect error.


Stan Fairchild

napoleon at voyager dot net

"Stan Fairchild" wrote in message
. net...
An RCSD regular answered privately, suggesting that the specific German
words make the location of the dot on the green

Thanks Stan,
a dig in the ribs for not including
a broad reference to your specific issues.
We SG devotees, get left behind
Any intention of appearing in EXPONET
after the exhibition?

Rod--no plans for Exponet for this exhibit. This ine is aimed at giving local collectors some useful information on
specific stamps, as well as showing the value of spending some of one's stamp budget on reference material. Because of
the amount of text needed to make the information useful to the non-specialist, the exhibit will not be a good example
of an exhibit.

Stan

"rodney" wrote in message
...

"Stan Fairchild" wrote in message
. net...
An RCSD regular answered privately, suggesting that the specific German
words make the location of the dot on the green

Thanks Stan,
a dig in the ribs for not including
a broad reference to your specific issues.
We SG devotees, get left behind
Any intention of appearing in EXPONET
after the exhibition?

G'day Stan,
I understand your response,
however I fail to agree.
I see a huge gap between what the newbie to the hobby
experiences, to the resultant frames seen at bourses, and
stamp shows.
Personally, I would like to see exhibits as yours as examples
of directions and encouragement to specialise.
Quite frankly, I find a lot of frames boring in their current format
lets tear the flesh off the beast,
perfs and printers are so ho-hum, we can get that info
from the catalogue.


"Stan Fairchild" wrote in message
t...
Rod--no plans for Exponet for this exhibit. This ine is aimed at giving
local collectors some useful information on
specific stamps, as well as showing the value of spending some of one's
stamp budget on reference material. Because of
the amount of text needed to make the information useful to the
non-specialist, the exhibit will not be a good example
of an exhibit.

Stan

"rodney" wrote in message
...

"Stan Fairchild" wrote in message
. net...
An RCSD regular answered privately, suggesting that the specific German
words make the location of the dot on the green

Thanks Stan,
a dig in the ribs for not including
a broad reference to your specific issues.
We SG devotees, get left behind
Any intention of appearing in EXPONET
after the exhibition?

Rod,

perfs and printers are so ho-hum, we can get that info
from the catalogue.

You are over optimistic!

This was true 50 years ago, general catalogues [Michel] don't bother to
tell us about the printing process and even specialised catalogues got
lazy p.e. the OCB Belgium doesn't mention it anymore since 2006!

groetjes, Rein

Op Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:45:50 +0100 schreef rodney
:


G'day Stan,
I understand your response,
however I fail to agree.
I see a huge gap between what the newbie to the hobby
experiences, to the resultant frames seen at bourses, and
stamp shows.
Personally, I would like to see exhibits as yours as examples
of directions and encouragement to specialise.
Quite frankly, I find a lot of frames boring in their current format
lets tear the flesh off the beast,
perfs and printers are so ho-hum, we can get that info
from the catalogue.


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"Rein" wrote in message
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Rod,
perfs and printers are so ho-hum, we can get that info
from the catalogue.
You are over optimistic!

Yes, I was being flippant,
your point is taken.