Did PCGS Blow This One or What?

One ugly looking MS 64 Red

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(David) wrote:

One ugly looking MS 64 Red

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Looks to me like a dirty slab. I suspect that with Crudaway cleaning the
slab, the coin would look a whole lot better (in spite of that nasty
whack on the cheek).

David wrote:

One ugly looking MS 64 Red

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72&rd=1


I dunno, Dave. That's a 64 and not a 65 after all. Looks like a better than
average 64 Rd to me. Those fuzzy areas on rev. are scuffs on the holder, but
the spots will be typical on a red 64 of that vintage. You'll see smaller ones
even on 65s in Red. A fully Red coin as opposed to a RB has a highly reactive
and vulnerable surface.



Ira Stein

ospam (Ira Stein) wrote in message ...
David wrote:

One ugly looking MS 64 Red

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3928053 0
72&rd=1


I dunno, Dave. That's a 64 and not a 65 after all. Looks like a better than
average 64 Rd to me. Those fuzzy areas on rev. are scuffs on the holder, but
the spots will be typical on a red 64 of that vintage. You'll see smaller ones
even on 65s in Red. A fully Red coin as opposed to a RB has a highly reactive
and vulnerable surface.



Ira Stein


I really do not know Ira. I have never seen any of your MS64 Reds
looking as bad as this coin. The hit on the cheek and what appears to
be a uneveness of the surface just make this coin look like it should
be graded a lot lower. Heck the Liberty is not even sharp. I have a
MS 62 Red/Brown in an ANACS holder which looks 100% better than this
coin. I know you really like PCGS, but I really think they blew it on
this one. If it just a case of dirt or crud on the holder then the
dealer really should have cleaned it up before taking the picture.
Just an opinion of course.

David
David

David comments:

I really do not know Ira. I have never seen any of your MS64 Reds
looking as bad as this coin. The hit on the cheek and what appears to
be a uneveness of the surface just make this coin look like it should
be graded a lot lower. Heck the Liberty is not even sharp. I have a
MS 62 Red/Brown in an ANACS holder which looks 100% better than this
coin. I know you really like PCGS, but I really think they blew it on
this one. If it just a case of dirt or crud on the holder then the
dealer really should have cleaned it up before taking the picture.
Just an opinion of course.


I stand by what I've said David. It's a very decent MS-64 RD. Not only that, I
know the sller, Wayne herndon. He's quite knowledgeable and very picky about
what he buys. Let's just say that you don't personally care for this one. I've
seen PCGS blow a grade on accasion, but IMHO, they were right on in this case.
I've seen no better in MS-65 holders from the Avis grading company in Sarasota.
(Avis...#2)


Ira Stein

Another thing...

It can be VERY difficult to take an accurate photograph of a coin,
especially an uncirculated one.

I have a few coins that are drop-dead gorgeous, but I can't photograph them
for the life of me. There's often a big difference between the way a coin
looks when you're holding it in your hand, gently rocking it back and forth
in the light, versus the way a camera captures the image. When you hold a
coin personally, your eye is able to automatically discern these subtle
differences and depth perception helps us see right past scuff marks on a
slab. With a camera you get a very flat, two-dimensional static snapshot.

--Jeff



"Ira Stein" wrote in message
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David comments:

I really do not know Ira. I have never seen any of your MS64 Reds
looking as bad as this coin. The hit on the cheek and what appears to
be a uneveness of the surface just make this coin look like it should
be graded a lot lower. Heck the Liberty is not even sharp. I have a
MS 62 Red/Brown in an ANACS holder which looks 100% better than this
coin. I know you really like PCGS, but I really think they blew it on
this one. If it just a case of dirt or crud on the holder then the
dealer really should have cleaned it up before taking the picture.
Just an opinion of course.


I stand by what I've said David. It's a very decent MS-64 RD. Not only
that, I
know the sller, Wayne herndon. He's quite knowledgeable and very picky
about
what he buys. Let's just say that you don't personally care for this one.
I've
seen PCGS blow a grade on accasion, but IMHO, they were right on in this
case.
I've seen no better in MS-65 holders from the Avis grading company in
Sarasota.
(Avis...#2)


Ira Stein