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Old November 22nd 03, 11:28 PM
Harvey
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How can a 1963A red two dollar bill carry the signature of Henry H. Fowler,
who was Secretary of the Treasury under Johnson, from 4/1/1965 to
12/20/1998?


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Old November 23rd 03, 12:03 AM
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"Harvey" wrote in message
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How can a 1963A red two dollar bill carry the signature of Henry H.

Fowler,
who was Secretary of the Treasury under Johnson, from 4/1/1965 to
12/20/1998?


Probably because it is the A series. I'm guessing the letter designations
denoted some type of signature change. Then again, why weren't the 1995
series actually a 1976 series with another letter? I'm not sure. But the
series shown on the bill doesn't mean the time the bill was printed...the
1995s were printed in 1996 I believe. Also, the 1963 (no letter) has
different signatures.


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Old November 23rd 03, 01:19 AM
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DyzeeGF3 wrote:

"Harvey" wrote in message
s.com...
How can a 1963A red two dollar bill carry the signature of Henry H.

Fowler,
who was Secretary of the Treasury under Johnson, from 4/1/1965 to
12/20/1998?


Probably because it is the A series. I'm guessing the letter designations
denoted some type of signature change. Then again, why weren't the 1995
series actually a 1976 series with another letter? I'm not sure. But the
series shown on the bill doesn't mean the time the bill was printed...the
1995s were printed in 1996 I believe. Also, the 1963 (no letter) has
different signatures.


Nor does the year tell you when the rag dollar or Twenty was
printed. I still can not believe that we are spending 2004
twenties. Are we spending next years budget ;-) Are we
counterfeiting? I do not know, What other years does anyone remember
that we was spending a next year rag or coin 4 months before the
year is up?


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Old November 23rd 03, 03:47 AM
Michael Weiland
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It used to be that they only changed the series year when something
other than signatures changed on the bill. E.g., the change in the
treasury seal, elimination of "Will pay to the bearer on demand", and so
on. I believe there were 1935 series dollar bills (silver certificates)
printed as late as the 1950s, until they added "In God We Trust" in 1957
or so.

But in more recent years, any change (even signatures) leads to a new
series year, unless I suppose they change more than once in a year.

The 2004 series $20s caught me by surprise too. It's as though the
Treasury is acting like a car maker! - issuing the '04s in the Fall of 2003.

MLW

Wheeler wrote:
DyzeeGF3 wrote:

"Harvey" wrote in message
ews.com...

How can a 1963A red two dollar bill carry the signature of Henry H.


Fowler,

who was Secretary of the Treasury under Johnson, from 4/1/1965 to
12/20/1998?


Probably because it is the A series. I'm guessing the letter designations
denoted some type of signature change. Then again, why weren't the 1995
series actually a 1976 series with another letter? I'm not sure. But the
series shown on the bill doesn't mean the time the bill was printed...the
1995s were printed in 1996 I believe. Also, the 1963 (no letter) has
different signatures.



Nor does the year tell you when the rag dollar or Twenty was
printed. I still can not believe that we are spending 2004
twenties. Are we spending next years budget ;-) Are we
counterfeiting? I do not know, What other years does anyone remember
that we was spending a next year rag or coin 4 months before the
year is up?


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Old November 23rd 03, 05:13 PM
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Okay, we must remember that the rules for denoting series have changed in the
last 30 years.

Prior to 1985, any major change in design would constitute a new series date,
while changes in signatures would only constitue new letter, so you had 1935
bills being printed as late as the 1960s.

When US notes were phased out, the rule for series was anything more than one
signature change was given a new series date. Then in the 1985, James Baker and
Donald Regan decided to change jobs without telling President Reagan first. A
new printer was used, so the Baker notes were given a new series date-1985.

When Baker resigned as secretary of the Treasurey in 1988 in order to run Vice
President Bush's presidential campaign, Former Senator Nick Brady (R-NJ), took
his place. For some reason never properly explained, his notes were given a new
series date.

When Bush was inaugurated President in 1989, Brady was retained [Reagan had
agreed to give the Vice President's choice an early start, in fact], but a new
Treasurer was appointed. A new rule was announced as a very long standing
tradition for many years, a clear lie. So a new treasurer will rate only an "A"
while every other change will rate a new year.

This is how's worked ever since.

As to the 2004 $20s, the reason is that there's a new Secretary of the
Treasury, a Mr. Snow, and it takes time to get the new bill plates made up.

By the time the plates were ready, the new twenties were also, and they weren't
sure whether there was going to be 2003-series "old" bill printed.

It was decided it wasn't worth the money and since the plates already had 2004
on them...you get the idea.

For proof of the change in rules, which the government denies, check series
1969A notes. The ones have different treasury secretaries [Treasurer Dorothy
Elston had married a guy named Kebis and she changed her signature] than all
the other bills.

Why? They needed the bills and the plates for the ones get used far more than
fives and up. [there were NO $2 FRNs prior to the bicentennial commemeratives
of 1976].

eric l.
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Old November 23rd 03, 05:45 PM
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From: "Harvey"

How can a 1963A red two dollar bill carry the signature of Henry H. Fowler,

who was Secretary of the Treasury under Johnson, from 4/1/1965 to 12/20/1998?

The Series year of the FRN remained the same and a letter was added because the
note's only change was the Secretary of the Treasury.

Unlike coins, our Paper Money has a "Series" date which does NOT change every
year; rather, the date usually changes only when there is a major change in the
Note's design.

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Old November 24th 03, 12:27 AM
Merlin Dorfman
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Wheeler ) wrote:
: DyzeeGF3 wrote:
:
: "Harvey" wrote in message
: s.com...
: How can a 1963A red two dollar bill carry the signature of Henry H.
: Fowler,
: who was Secretary of the Treasury under Johnson, from 4/1/1965 to
: 12/20/1998?
:
: Probably because it is the A series. I'm guessing the letter designations
: denoted some type of signature change. Then again, why weren't the 1995
: series actually a 1976 series with another letter? I'm not sure. But the
: series shown on the bill doesn't mean the time the bill was printed...the
: 1995s were printed in 1996 I believe. Also, the 1963 (no letter) has
: different signatures.

: Nor does the year tell you when the rag dollar or Twenty was
: printed. I still can not believe that we are spending 2004
: twenties. Are we spending next years budget ;-) Are we
: counterfeiting? I do not know, What other years does anyone remember
: that we was spending a next year rag or coin 4 months before the
: year is up?

The bicentennial coinage (dated 1776-1976) was actually coined
in both 1975 and 1976, so there were charges that the money was
counterfeit since the coins made in 1975 had a 1976 date.

 




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