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Denomination of this French coin?
I have a French coin that says on the 2x2 the following:
1346-84 France Flanders Ghent (plak) Rule of Louis II The obverse has a helmeted lion What I'm uncertain of is what is the denomonation of this coin called? I'm trying to catalog it and need to know what to call it. I bought it because I liked the look of it and I have this thing about medieval coins but not that I know a lot about them yet. Thanks for any leads. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Denomination of this French coin?
The name is actually `plack' (in english) or `plaque' (in french). I
have often seen the many and varied `gros d'argent' coins of the low countries, and Burgundy referred to as `plaques'. I suggest you get hold of a copy of Jim Robert's `The Silver Coins of Medieval France'. There is a section in it covering northern types (including Flanders). Your coin (or one very similar to it) will most likely be found in there. Warren and Paula Jo Merrill wrote: I have a French coin that says on the 2x2 the following: 1346-84 France Flanders Ghent (plak) Rule of Louis II The obverse has a helmeted lion What I'm uncertain of is what is the denomonation of this coin called? I'm trying to catalog it and need to know what to call it. I bought it because I liked the look of it and I have this thing about medieval coins but not that I know a lot about them yet. Thanks for any leads. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Denomination of this French coin?
In article "Warren and Paula Jo Merrill" writes:
I have a French coin that says on the 2x2 the following: 1346-84 France Flanders Ghent (plak) Rule of Louis II The obverse has a helmeted lion What I'm uncertain of is what is the denomonation of this coin called? I'm trying to catalog it and need to know what to call it. I bought it because I liked the look of it and I have this thing about medieval coins but not that I know a lot about them yet. Thanks for any leads. In Dutch many coins were called "plak". Mostly copper, sometimes silver. The value depended on the place. Somtimes the value was a "stuiver" (esp. in Flanders). But also here it could very well be a fraction of a "stuiver". As the coin is from Gent, I think it is very likely that it is a "stuiver". -- dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131 home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/ |
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Denomination of this French coin?
A very impressive type, and one of my favorites. It's # 8155 in my
book, assuming that it's the 32 mm double gros. It's called a plak, plack, or plaque, depending on your language. Here's a picture of the type... http://someoldcoins.org/med/1907.htm - Jim Ian wrote: The name is actually `plack' (in english) or `plaque' (in french). I have often seen the many and varied `gros d'argent' coins of the low countries, and Burgundy referred to as `plaques'. I suggest you get hold of a copy of Jim Robert's `The Silver Coins of Medieval France'. There is a section in it covering northern types (including Flanders). Your coin (or one very similar to it) will most likely be found in there. Warren and Paula Jo Merrill wrote: I have a French coin that says on the 2x2 the following: 1346-84 France Flanders Ghent (plak) Rule of Louis II The obverse has a helmeted lion What I'm uncertain of is what is the denomonation of this coin called? I'm trying to catalog it and need to know what to call it. I bought it because I liked the look of it and I have this thing about medieval coins but not that I know a lot about them yet. Thanks for any leads. |
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Denomination of this French coin?
Hi Jim,
I wasn't sure what coin the OP actually had, or whether it had been correctly attributed. I think this one of mine is a Louis II Count of Flanders too (?). I'm not 100% positive though. You don't seem to have this particular type noted in your book, but maybe I was looking in the wrong area (?). http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/LouisIIobv.jpg http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/LouisIIrev.jpg As an aside, here's another Lion Double Gros. William V for Holland I think (8172) http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/WilliamVobv.jpg http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/WilliamVrev.jpg ......and an example of a `botdrager'(8301) :-) http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/Botdrager.jpg http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/botdragerRev.jpg Ian Jim Roberts wrote: A very impressive type, and one of my favorites. It's # 8155 in my book, assuming that it's the 32 mm double gros. It's called a plak, plack, or plaque, depending on your language. Here's a picture of the type... http://someoldcoins.org/med/1907.htm - Jim Ian wrote: The name is actually `plack' (in english) or `plaque' (in french). I have often seen the many and varied `gros d'argent' coins of the low countries, and Burgundy referred to as `plaques'. I suggest you get hold of a copy of Jim Robert's `The Silver Coins of Medieval France'. There is a section in it covering northern types (including Flanders). Your coin (or one very similar to it) will most likely be found in there. Warren and Paula Jo Merrill wrote: I have a French coin that says on the 2x2 the following: 1346-84 France Flanders Ghent (plak) Rule of Louis II The obverse has a helmeted lion What I'm uncertain of is what is the denomonation of this coin called? I'm trying to catalog it and need to know what to call it. I bought it because I liked the look of it and I have this thing about medieval coins but not that I know a lot about them yet. Thanks for any leads. |
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Hi Ian,
http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/LouisIIobv.jpg http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/LouisIIrev.jpg That Louis II gros of yours is one of the biggest gaping holes in my book! I included pictures and attributions of about 50 varieties of the lion gros but yours somehow didn't make it, and it's one of the most common and most important. I have one just like it (http://someoldcoins.org/med/1909.htm). It's listed (but not illustrated) in Boudeau, #2230. As an aside, here's another Lion Double Gros. William V for Holland I think (8172) http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/WilliamVobv.jpg http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/WilliamVrev.jpg Very nice imitative piece, based on the Flanders coin. Since the OP mentioned a "helmeted lion", I'm quite sure he meant this type. .....and an example of a `botdrager'(8301) :-) http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/Botdrager.jpg http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/botdragerRev.jpg Yes, very impressive lion! Best wishes,.. - Jim |
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Denomination of this French coin?
Hi Jim,
Thanks for confirming the Lion gros as Louis II and for the Boudeau reference. The double gros surprise me how they managed to survive commercial activity. They look so thin and fragile. For every one that survives in present time there must have been hundreds that didn't. Ian Jim Roberts wrote: Hi Ian, http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/LouisIIobv.jpg http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/LouisIIrev.jpg That Louis II gros of yours is one of the biggest gaping holes in my book! I included pictures and attributions of about 50 varieties of the lion gros but yours somehow didn't make it, and it's one of the most common and most important. I have one just like it (http://someoldcoins.org/med/1909.htm). It's listed (but not illustrated) in Boudeau, #2230. As an aside, here's another Lion Double Gros. William V for Holland I think (8172) http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/WilliamVobv.jpg http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/WilliamVrev.jpg Very nice imitative piece, based on the Flanders coin. Since the OP mentioned a "helmeted lion", I'm quite sure he meant this type. .....and an example of a `botdrager'(8301) :-) http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/Botdrager.jpg http://www.imb4u2.myby.co.uk/stuff/botdragerRev.jpg Yes, very impressive lion! Best wishes,.. - Jim |
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