Arrogant Ebay

Bull. If they did not request to be added to your mailing list,
then it is spam. Personally, I don't appreciate getting spams from
previous ebay transactions. I report them to ebay. If I want your items
once I have made a purchase, *I* will look for them on my own on ebay.

I DO NOT have a mailing list. But customer service is important, and
most people appreciate it. Ebay has no right to interfere with
my contact of my customers. No sane person confuses personalized
business email with existing customers as the same thing as mass
mailings for penis enlargements, pornography and "make money fast"
scams sent to millions of email addresses with forged headers and
phony "remove" instructions.

Hey Frank, take the hint. I've been doing the same thing as you (although I
bet on a far less frequent scale). I'm so freaking glad I ran across this
thread, cause I thought it was okies to email previous customers too.
However, seeing the dozens of people telling you (and me) that we're wrong,
and providing links to eBay policy, and talking about how they *hate*
getting emails from previous transactions, and how you might even be
*losing* sales should tell you something. I know its told me what a dumbass
I've been. Sorry to everyone I've annoyed! It stops now!

-Mark

Mark S' (goatlike) wrote:
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Hey Frank, take the hint. I've been doing the same thing as you (although I
bet on a far less frequent scale). I'm so freaking glad I ran across this
thread, cause I thought it was okies to email previous customers too.
However, seeing the dozens of people telling you (and me) that we're wrong,
and providing links to eBay policy, and talking about how they *hate*
getting emails from previous transactions, and how you might even be
*losing* sales should tell you something. I know its told me what a dumbass
I've been. Sorry to everyone I've annoyed! It stops now!

-Mark


Mark, I haven't seen you post here in a long time. I see you're selling
some on eBay again. Is it working for you any better than it did in the
past? I looked at a few of your closed auctions, and they still seemed
awfully cheap to me for what you were selling.

eBay does do some pretty confusing things. Back when I was in college,
I got contacted by them because I BID on an auction that they later
determined shouldn't have been posted because it violated their latest
terms of service.

They basically told me that I should know better than to bid on the
item, and I was to consider this my 'first and only warning'.


(Frank Provasek) wrote in message digy.com...
In article , ustion (mark) wrote:
From: "Linda"

In this thread, we have a perfect example of what I was trying to say about
the "no-scammer" group

And a perfect example of why you are completely wrong.

This is not the first time frank has whined in this group about getting
corrected by ebay about a rule he blatantly broke.

I have never "whined." I have stated facts about policies that ebay and
paypal enforce which are patently unfair.

My, ebay has
trained the sheeple well.
Michael Savage uses that same kind of terminology. Frank must be a fan of his!

snip
Mark, I haven't seen you post here in a long time. I see you're selling
some on eBay again. Is it working for you any better than it did in the
past? I looked at a few of your closed auctions, and they still seemed
awfully cheap to me for what you were selling.


Hey there Richard. Ya know, selling them cheap is actually making me some
profit. Fewer sales and higher listing fees were bleeding me dry, but the
drop in prices has turned that around. I'm not makin much off the auctions,
but as Pop likes to say, "Happiness is a positive cash flow"... even if it
is a trickle.

How you doing? I'm trying to stick to some daily rounds these days and this
is one of my stops. I remember reading some great advice from you and
others here... and this thread is no exception.

-Mark

"mark" wrote in message
...
From: OSPAM (Eric C.)

You post here essentially implying that you wanted advice from us in the
first place

That's where you went astray. He didn't want advice. He wanted what he
always
wants: some attention, a virtual shoulder or two to cry on, and to be told
that
he didn't do anything wrong when he already knows that he certainly did.
Same
old song and dance with him, and it's gotten quite old.

--
mark

What he also did was initially crosspost into two groups, which has now
generated over 100 postings in R.c.c. that don't need to be here, and which
I have to skip over or ignore to get to the stuff I actually want to read..
so let me see if I can put an end to this thread..

"Hitler"

"Kris Baker" wrote in message
.com...

"Dr. Richard L. Hall" wrote in message
...


Are you talking about the FTC "Do not call" law. You really should read
it.

"Consumers whose numbers are on the National Do Not Call Registry may
continue to receive calls after October 1 from businesses with which
they
have an established business relationship, which lasts for 18 months
from
a
consumer's last purchase from or payment to a company, or 3 months from
a
consumer's inquiry or application to a company. "

This is from the FTC website. http://www.ftc.gov

If you don't want to be called by someone with whom you have a business
relationship, you must specifically request it from that business.


The OP's complaint is against eBay, who is merely asking him to abide
by the rules he agreed to, when he signed on to use their service. Note
that the issue is with eBay, and has nothing to do with a DNC list.

It is also apparent that, someone who the OP claims to have such a
"business relationship" with, has complained to eBay, asking that
their rules be enforced.

Kris

"Frank Provasek" wrote in message
igy.com...
In article , ustion
(mark) wrote:
From: "Linda"

In this thread, we have a perfect example of what I was trying to say about
the "no-scammer" group

And a perfect example of why you are completely wrong.

This is not the first time frank has whined in this group about getting
corrected by ebay about a rule he blatantly broke.

I have never "whined." I have stated facts about policies that ebay and
paypal enforce which are patently unfair.

Frank has spammed his previous bidders,

Not under any reasonable definition of spamming


If you define spam as unwanted or unsolicited emails for the purpose of
enticing anyone, with any product or service, into making a buy, and I do, then you
do or at least you did.
I was on that list for a while.

Dale


--
"Wien ist anders"
my website:
http://www.austriancoins.com

(Kris Dockter) writes:

I did this once, but I was thoughtful and careful. I had some new,
but similar products up for auction and I wanted to give bidders who
have bought similar products from me a heads-up. So, I dumped just
the selected e-mails out of my database and sent out a note. I put
everyone's e-mail in the blind carbon copy field, and since the list
was limited, it didn't amount to a whole lot of people.

Keep in mind, Kris, you're still in breach of your agreement with eBay for
doing this, and you're risking people's making legitimate reports to eBay
about your misuse of their addresses.

There may be another rare instance when I'd do it again,

I really hope not. Why not just ask buyers *during* the sale if they'd
like to be notified in future?

Deborah Stevenson
)

The Lump writes:

On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:19:23 GMT, Deborah Stevenson,,,
wrote:

I think you're misremembering the law here, since the one you cite has no
judgment on spam whatsoever.

Currently, the major forces on spam are the ISPs and any other relevant
contractual agent--in this case, eBay. And a good portion of ISPs agree
with eBay--prior commercial relationship doesn't constitute solicitation.

You may want it to do so, but unless you're running your own ISP, it ain't
your call.

Nation wide anti-spam laws, do not exist.

Exactly. Nor do any nationwide defintions of "spam," or "unsolicited
email."

However, if currently
enforced anti-spam laws are an indication of what's to come, the
following scenario will be fact:

Even if that proves to be true, which is highly unlikely, we're not
talking about what *will* be true. What's true right now is that the
definition you're claiming *isn't* a broadly established definition of
"unsolicited," it's never stated to apply to email, and doesn't apply to a
private contract.

Deborah Stevenson
)