Arrogant Ebay

In article , ost
(Steve Tyson) writes:

Spam is not only illegal, but ebay is protecting other members from persons
who
might try to fraudulently sell to them outside of ebay.

If only they'd do half as much to protect their members from persons who try to
fraudulently sell to them INside of ebay...wait!

That doesn't affect Ebay's bottom line, does it?

Nevermind.

dondi3
DONDI enterprises. BUY, SELL, TRADE. RARE COINS & PRECIOUS METALS
Member COINNET, CSNS, ANA, INA, MOON, ILNA.

In article ,
(Frank Provasek) writes:


In article ,
(Steve Tyson) wrote:
Spam is not only illegal, but ebay is protecting other members from persons
who
might try to fraudulently sell to them outside of ebay.


So selling outside of ebay is fraudulent. My, ebay has
trained the sheeple well.

Bingo!

dondi3
DONDI enterprises. BUY, SELL, TRADE. RARE COINS & PRECIOUS METALS
Member COINNET, CSNS, ANA, INA, MOON, ILNA.

In article , Slapshot
writes:


DONDI3 wrote:

In article , Todd Nevius
writes:


Steve Tyson wrote:

I will certainly never buy anything from FRANKCOINS. I have also sent
safe
harbor a copy of his post ADMITTING he spams ebay members.

What an anal jerk.

Exactly.

Tattle-tale is such an attractive personality trait, don't you think?

dondi3
DONDI enterprises. BUY, SELL, TRADE. RARE COINS & PRECIOUS METALS
Member COINNET, CSNS, ANA, INA, MOON, ILNA.

ITS NOT BEING A TATTLE TALE HE IS HELPING EBAY PROTECT OUR
MEMBER COMMUNITY.


....and really GOOD tattle-tales have their own "party-line parrots", I
guess...but I never heard of a shouting parrot before...;-)

dondi3

DONDI enterprises. BUY, SELL, TRADE. RARE COINS & PRECIOUS METALS
Member COINNET, CSNS, ANA, INA, MOON, ILNA.

In article , ustion (mark) wrote:
From: "Linda"

In this thread, we have a perfect example of what I was trying to say about
the "no-scammer" group

And a perfect example of why you are completely wrong.

This is not the first time frank has whined in this group about getting
corrected by ebay about a rule he blatantly broke.

I have never "whined." I have stated facts about policies that ebay and
paypal enforce which are patently unfair.

Frank has spammed his previous bidders,

Not under any reasonable definition of spamming

has had friends shill his auctions,

I have had friends bid on my auctions, and buy if they win


a friend who shared his address he registered with ebay bid on his auctions,

Nope

has created an account under a name and address not his own to bid on an
auction for the express purpose of driving the bid to such a level as to scare
off all other bidders and then not paid,

not me


has repeatedly cross-posted e-mails

crossposted email?

flaming known usenet trolls for no other reason than he has no self-control,

I will defend my reputation against known liars like Mark Greene

and, has repeatedly whined and complained about all of the above in this venue.

Frank Provasek deserves every bit of grief and trouble in his life that he
posts about here because, without exception, he brings it on himself.

You don't have to take my word for it, it's all their in google.

And Mark Greene likes to twist the facts, bend the truth, insinuate, and lie
to make a point. If he gets called on it, he threatens to sue you.



RARE COIN AUCTIONS NO MINIMUMS http://frankcoins.com
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Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association, Fort Worth Coin Club.
Member: Texas Numismatic Assoc, American Numismatic Assoc.

From: (Frank Provasek)
Date: 8/6/03 10:08 PM CDT

So selling outside of ebay is fraudulent. My, ebay has
trained the sheeple well.


sheeple?

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 19:16:35 GMT, Deborah Stevenson,,,
declared:

Todd Nevius writes:

It's not spam if you have a previous business relationship with
someone.

It's spam if it's unsolicited. So says eBay, in the rules Frank agreed to
abide by. So say enough other ISPs to make it a perfectly valid
contention.

Deborah Stevenson
)


and those are the only rules that really matter, regardless of one
thinks of them.


robert

"I've been long, a long way from here
Put on a poncho, played for mosquitos,
And drank til I was thirsty again
We went searching through thrift store jungles
Found Geronimo's rifle, Marilyn's shampoo
And Benny Goodman's corset and pen"

"mark" wrote in message
...
From: "Linda"

In this thread, we have a perfect example of what I was trying to say
about
the "no-scammer" group

And a perfect example of why you are completely wrong.

This is not the first time frank has whined in this group about getting
corrected by ebay about a rule he blatantly broke.

Frank has spammed his previous bidders, has had friends shill his
auctions, had
a friend who shared his address he registered with ebay bid on his
auctions,
has created an account under a name and address not his own to bid on an
auction for the express purpose of driving the bid to such a level as to
scare
off all other bidders and then not paid, has repeatedly cross-posted
e-mails
flaming known usenet trolls for no other reason than he has no
self-control,
and, has repeatedly whined and complained about all of the above in this
venue.

Frank Provasek deserves every bit of grief and trouble in his life that he
posts about here because, without exception, he brings it on himself.

You don't have to take my word for it, it's all their in google.

--
mark

I think you may have misunderstood the point I was trying to make.

What I meant was that by giving the whole topic a full airing from BOTH
sides, the truth emerges even more strongly, not less.

The no-scammer group would have censored out one side of the argument (they
screen out people), yet here in this group, where the pro-spammer person is
able to freely post, it only increased the position of the anti-spammers, it
did not help the pro-spammers. It also promoted understanding of the
motivations, not necessarily evil but perhaps off base, of the spammers,
which I personally found interesting and informative, but YMMV. While I now
understand Frank's perspective, I still don't like spam.

Are you familiar with ARPA? How about SAIC?


"Tina - AffordableHOST.com" wrote in message
...
"Todd Nevius" wrote in message
...
Tina - AffordableHOST.com wrote:

"The Lump" wrote in message
...
Frank;

whether you are soliciting via email or soliciting via telephone,
the
law

You do realize, of course, that the internet is not governed, or
controlled,
by the US goverment...right?

--Tina
\

If you are located in the US, they sure do!


No, they don't.

--Tina

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Are you familiar with interestate cable regulation and telephone regulation?

"Tina - AffordableHOST.com" wrote in message
...
"The Lump" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:06:46 -0400, "Tina - AffordableHOST.com"
wrote:

"Todd Nevius" wrote in message
...
Tina - AffordableHOST.com wrote:

"The Lump" wrote in message
...
Frank;

whether you are soliciting via email or soliciting via telephone,
the
law

You do realize, of course, that the internet is not governed, or
controlled,
by the US goverment...right?

--Tina
\

If you are located in the US, they sure do!


No, they don't.

--Tina

Then tell me brainiac, why is it illegal to post warez originating to
or from computers located within the USA?


Can the US control computers and their owners, who are located in the US?
Yes.

What does that have to do with whether or not the US goverment governs or
controls the internet?


--Tina
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A word coined by the late, great Bill Cooper, to describe sheeplike, herd
mentality, non-thinking people. Rather apt, I'd say.

"Steve Tyson" wrote in message
...
From: (Frank Provasek)
Date: 8/6/03 10:08 PM CDT

So selling outside of ebay is fraudulent. My, ebay has
trained the sheeple well.


sheeple?