Arrogant Ebay

"None" None@ebay wrote in message
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"Robert A. Walker" wrote

This thread has sure as hell shown me who a few people are that I
won't be buying from on E-bay, and Frank Provasek is at the top of the
list.
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What does Frank's spamming have to do with whether or not you would buy
from him?

If he was offering a lot of items at bargain prices, ending in the middle
of the night with
no last minute bidding competitors, you wouldn't bid on his auctions?


Nope. There are also several companies that I refuse to do business
with...just on principle. Sometimes personal gain has to take a back seat
to doing the right thing. Sending spam is stealing from others. You don't
even wanna know how much spam has cost me in the last 12 months.


--Tina

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"Joe Fischer" wrote in message
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In rec.collecting.coins

Frank Provasek wrote:
: I sometimes send email to my ebay customers when I put up a lot of new
: stuff at one cent start and no reserve.

So, you are unable to offer any of those coins
for sale directly because they are listed on ebay.

I would think ebay should only be concerned
if you offered to sell directly cheating ebay out
of it's fees.

No, eBay is concerned about spam.


What is so different about what you are
doing and sending a Second Chance Offer?

Second Chance Offer is not spam.



: I have their email addresses from
: them writing to ME (not sent through ebay's system.)

Answer their question, and then delete their email address.


So do you type in or cut and paste their
email address.

Doesn't matter. Also, doesn't matter if he used two fingers to type with or
all 10.


I keep emails from customers for as long as
possible, and try never to initiate correspondence
as a new email.

Good.


I just find an old email asking for something,
and reply to it.

As long as you're answering their question, its not spamming.



I don't think anybody would complain if
they have emailed you before.

Apparently, at least one person did. As I said before, I used to report
all spam...got tired of wasting my time.

Question...how many here dislike spam email? How many actively report it
all?


A phone call must mean you rate more than
I do,

No, it probably means they got more than one complaint.


What is the purpose of your spam email,
a friendly notice of sales ongoing on ebay, or
to increase bids per auction?

Like all spam...to make more money. Hence the term Unsolicited Commercial
Email (UCE).


I get spam from ebay all the time, telling
me of all the savings if I buy this or that.

That's not spam...thats advertisement that you agreed to receive.


But then they say that I either requested
notices of this type, or did not check a box saying
I do not want notices.

Then go uncheck the boxes and get off the notification lists.


Did anybody ever email you and say they
do not want any more spam from you?


They shouldn't have to. Not only that, but we strongly recommend that our
web hosting customers NEVER request to be unsubscribed from any spammers
list. Most of the time, that only serves to validate your email. That is,
you're basically telling the spammer "Hey, not only is this a valid email
address...but I actually read your spam, all the way to the bottom, to find
out how to unsubscribe." You can count on your email address then being
sold and distributed and the amount of spam you receive to at least double.

--Tina

How big is a store? Same kinda question.

Unless a company says "This is our building." or "These are the people that
work for us."...you can pretty much count on it being a stock photo.

--Tina
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Any new mail to my inbox that isn't expected (from a friend or a known list
that I subscribed to) annoys me.
I get 99% spam in my inbox.
Probably more like 99.9%.
I consider spam that which is unexpected.
Rusty

In article , "None" None@ebay
wrote:

"Robert A. Walker" wrote

This thread has sure as hell shown me who a few people are that I
won't be buying from on E-bay, and Frank Provasek is at the top of
the list.
============

What does Frank's spamming have to do with whether or not you would buy
from him?

If he was offering a lot of items at bargain prices, ending in the
middle of the night with
no last minute bidding competitors, you wouldn't bid on his auctions?
I would.

The boycotter is probably a proponent of the "Boulder Pledge" ...

http://www.panix.com/~tbetz/boulder.shtml

(FWIW, aol M3 T00! /aol)

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In article ,
says...
You can bet they do not try to enforce these rules on the big retailers
that sell through ebay, just the little guys.



Well the answer is obvious, become a "Big Guy".
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Copper is as copper does.

In article ,
says...
No way I would want to solicit business from a jerk like you.

Well, what sort of jerk DO you want business from?
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Copper is as copper does.

(Frank Provasek) wrote
(Robert A. Walker) wrote:

This thread has sure as hell shown me who a few people are that I
won't be buying from on E-bay, and Frank Provasek is at the top of the
list.

So if you collect Carson City silver dollars, [snip] You are not the
typical collector who would be angry if I did NOT send them a note.

I wouldn't need a note from you. If I were a collector, I would have
found it from a typical search (and if I were a collector, I would be
searching every day).


Curtis.

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JSTONE9352 wrote:


I really hope not. Why not just ask buyers *during* the sale if they'd
like to be notified in future?


I did that once. Someone said if I ever
have another of what I was selling up
on Ebay to let them know.

I have a few people that have offered to email me when they
have something new on ebay... I for one, am glad that they do. I
receive my share of spam, but I do like to be notified when a good
seller emails me that he has something new listed. I guess that I am
just lazy.
Wheeler

In rec.collecting.coins

Joe Schell wrote:
: says...
: You can bet they do not try to enforce these rules on the big retailers
: that sell through ebay, just the little guys.
:
: Well the answer is obvious, become a "Big Guy".

That reminds me, I gave a feedback the other day
to a seller with 67000 good feedbacks, can anybody
beat that?

Joe Fischer

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In rec.collecting.coins

Tina - AffordableHOST.com wrote:
: "Joe Fischer" wrote:
: Frank Provasek wrote:
: : I sometimes send email to my ebay customers when I put
: : up a lot of new stuff at one cent start and no reserve.
:
: So, you are unable to offer any of those coins
: for sale directly because they are listed on ebay.
:
: I would think ebay should only be concerned
: if you offered to sell directly cheating ebay out
: of it's fees.
:
: No, eBay is concerned about spam.

That is well and good, but they should confine
their actions to things that do not irritate good sellers,
and things they have legal control over without having to
use NARU.

I even object to them emailing me informing
me of a complaint by a domain name or trademark owner
about an auction I have already won, paid for, and
received the item.
Also I object to their cancelling auctions
at the request of Microsoft for shrinkwrapped items
with original disks and manuals.

I try to observe copyright law and proper
actions, and I am willing to support all efforts
to support rights and laws in that regard, but
it doesn't make sense for anyone to assume physical
control of the actions of other people doing legal
transactions.

: What is so different about what you are
: doing and sending a Second Chance Offer?
:
: Second Chance Offer is not spam.

It often is an email out of the blue, with
another box not checked.

: : I have their email addresses from
: : them writing to ME (not sent through ebay's system.)
:
: Answer their question, and then delete their email address.

Is that advice directed to Frank?

: So do you type in or cut and paste their
: email address.
:
: Doesn't matter.

I think it matters, if they initiated an email
to him about his coin business, turn about is fair play
(as long as he can just hit "reply".

: Also, doesn't matter if he used two
: fingers to type with or all 10.

I have tried to not ben sarcastic.

: I keep emails from customers for as long as
: possible, and try never to initiate correspondence
: as a new email.
:
: Good.

Maybe that is what Frank does.

: I just find an old email asking for something,
: and reply to it.
:
: As long as you're answering their question, its not spamming.

I don't consider it spamming if it continues
information or additional discussion about a subject.

: I don't think anybody would complain if
: they have emailed you before.
:
: Apparently, at least one person did.

No, not "apparently". I am very aggressive
in countering anybody who phones me, there is no way
to tell who is making the call, and I am very
surprised that any ebay person would call before
issuing at least two standard form email warnings.

: As I said before, I used to report
: all spam...got tired of wasting my time.

Not at all, there are millions of jerks
initiating new spam all the time and changing
addresses.
I would not ever consider email from someone
I sent email to as spam.
Spam could be defined as email that is sent
with an effort to conceal the senders address, and
that would eliminate 90 percent of it.

It is difficult to control the remaining ten
percent without preventing good intention email
getting through.

: Question...how many here dislike spam email?

97 Percent.

: How many actively report it all?

Less than one percent.

: A phone call must mean you rate more than
: I do,
:
: No, it probably means they got more than one complaint.

Or that it wasn't even an ebay employee calling.

: What is the purpose of your spam email,
: a friendly notice of sales ongoing on ebay, or
: to increase bids per auction?
:
: Like all spam...to make more money.

I don't know how you can assume that, Frank
said he did it when he listed items starting way
below market with no reserve.

Maybe he isn't up to speed on title listing,
the word "no" in the title is one of the most searched
words, along with "lot".
I guess their search engine was being overloaded,
so now I have to search for lot of instead of lot,
and no r* instead of no.
Other tricks in listing titles are important,
even intentional misspelling, like sliver, dolars,
dimse, halfs, etc.

: Hence the term Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE).

I am not sure of the definition of commercial,
for instance, I can have images of coins on the homepage
of one of my personal accounts and list them on ebay,
but I can't have any html or text mentioning prices
or offering for sale.
Maybe AOL can operate with people who only
email friends and relatives, but other ISPs might
not be able to.

: I get spam from ebay all the time, telling
: me of all the savings if I buy this or that.
:
: That's not spam...thats advertisement that you agreed to receive.

Yeah, and I really want to agree with all the
things in a EULA, or feel an need to configure my
preferences on all web sites.

: But then they say that I either requested
: notices of this type, or did not check a box saying
: I do not want notices.
:
: Then go uncheck the boxes and get off the notification lists.

It is might be easier and make more sense
to just change email addresses or userIDs.

: Did anybody ever email you and say they
: do not want any more spam from you?
:
: They shouldn't have to.

In his case, if somebody emailed him originally,
then they should have notified him instead of complaining
to ebay.
Ebay has enough work to do without such a
paltry complaint from anybody with their dander up
or somebody with a grudge or axe to grind.

: Not only that, but we strongly recommend that our web hosting
: customers NEVER request to be unsubscribed from any spammers
: list. Most of the time, that only serves to validate your email.

You are talking about in the unsolicited email
they sent, and that is good advice.
But those types of emails rarely have a valid
sender address, or come from a legitimate business.

: That is, you're basically telling the spammer "Hey, not
: only is this a valid email address...but I actually read your spam,
: all the way to the bottom, to find out how to unsubscribe."

It also says "I am gullible and don't know any better".

: You can count on your email address then being
: sold and distributed and the amount of spam you
: receive to at least double.
: --Tina

Good advice, but frankly, half of the ISPs
would go broke if nobody initiated any emails, that
is why some newsgroups have no articles, all the
readers just follow up.
There are millions of web sites that owners
payed hundreds of dollars to set up, that get no
hits at all.
And thousands of legitimate companies going
broke waiting to get orders through a web site.

Anybody who does not want spam email should
simply be prepared to change userIDs every few months,
that will cause the senders more work, and stop spam
immediately.

Frankly Frank, I wouldn't even talk to
anybody representing themselves as employees of
ebay or any other company that goes to such great
effort to hide and not get phone calls themselves.

The biggest problem with internet business
is people hiding, and acting coy or important.

The other problem is with shortage of
good web site software and design, ebay and
google have the best, and it is downhill
from there.
I bought an item online last night, and
I was hesitant because the company didn't list
any phone number or physical address at all,
which may cut their business by half or more.

It would make more sense to list the
physical address and keep the email address
secret.
I never post to newsgroups with a current
userID, I use my last userID, and I hope the
ISP will notify me if they reassign that userID
to somebody else.

But it is just a matter of courtesy to
either warn somebody if UCE is not wanted,
instead of bothering ebay who has millions
of patrons or members to take care of with
far more important matters.

Joe Fischer

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