Fakes and Terrorism (Again)

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:13:50 -0400, Reid Goldsborough
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:57:43 -0400, (Edward
McGrath) wrote:

Jeff in Australia is the official tidy bowl man. Take a seat folks and
try to sink his boat : )

This "Jeff R." (he used to call himself "A.Gent"!) is anything but a
gentleman or a decent fellow....[ balance of rant snipped ]

"There's an old proverb: Ridicule is the first and last argument of
fools. It's a good proverb. If you can't debate substantively, you try
to ridicule." Reid Goldsborough 5-29-2005

There, that didn't take long.

Phil DeMayo wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:13:50 -0400, Reid Goldsborough
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:57:43 -0400, (Edward
McGrath) wrote:

Jeff in Australia is the official tidy bowl man. Take a seat folks and
try to sink his boat : )

This "Jeff R." (he used to call himself "A.Gent"!) is anything but a
gentleman or a decent fellow....[ balance of rant snipped ]

"There's an old proverb: Ridicule is the first and last argument of
fools. It's a good proverb. If you can't debate substantively, you try
to ridicule." Reid Goldsborough 5-29-2005

There, that didn't take long.

Nope, never does. It's that unique odor of sanctimony with a heavy
undernote of hypocrisy that marks this particular fragrance.

Alan
'Eau de Toilet, indeed'

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:33:27 GMT, "note.boy"
wrote:

When my wife calls me a cheapskate I take it as a compliment. :-)

When my wife calls me, period, I take it as a compliment. g

I think of myself as thrifty, not cheap. I'm generous with my family
and with friends, but I've always had a hard time spending money on
myself. Keep cars and clothes and so on as long as I can, abhor
high-priced "designer" anything, prefer the well-made utilitarian.
This actually has changed, my spending money on myself, over the past
five years, in one way (and still only one way): coins. Funny how that
has happened.

I've always tried to be a savvy consumer too, buying smart, not paying
too much, comparison shopping, reading consumer magazines, negotiating
when appropriate. There I go again, bragging about how I deprive
people of their ability to pay for their children's education. g

Maybe the single funniest thing about Jeff R.'s anti-negotiating
screeds is how divorced they are from reality in numismatics. One of
the fun things about going to larger coin shows is watching how
dealers buy from one another or from suppliers. They almost always
negotiate, as far as I can tell anyway, and the negotiating involves
lots of psychology and persuasion and often good-natured humor. The
dynamic is interesting. Nobody forces anybody to negotiate, and a
small minority of dealers seem to have a no-negotiating policy with
respect to collectors, and there's nothing wrong with this, of course.
But negotiating is very much an integral part of the hobby and
profession of numismatics.

--

Email: (delete "remove this")

Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide
Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom
Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos

Reid wrote: Are there others among the millions of people on Usenet so
obsessed with a single individual like this? snip I think gogu has a
crazy loon that follows him around obsessively in Rcc. Reid the bottom
line with all these childish attacks against you are due to these
flametards jealousy of you. These ****y flamers can't win an intelligent
argument with you so they gang up on you and attack you like a pack of
blood thirsty vicious wolves. I think these flamers suffer from low self
esteem and are jealous of your self confidence, or it could be the fact
you have the koolest coins and they don't. No one really knows the
extent to which a jealous flametard will go to disrupt and abuse another
poster. I'd say if some one provided a link to a site they created for
the purpose of degrading another poster then they are definitely
obsessed and probably dangerous. It don't matter how old or long ago
they made the degrading site it's the fact they even took time to do it.
Reid in the link to the site they put a monkey on your head and called
it Nick and I think they depicted the monkey screwing your ear hole.
that shows how mentally disturbed they are. Ed

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:30:25 -0400, (Edward
McGrath) wrote:

I think gogu has a
crazy loon that follows him around obsessively in Rcc.

Loony is the word for it. I'm sure it happens in other newsgroups,
where some angry, disturbed person not only obsessively flames another
participant but creates multiple flame Web pages devoted to him.
Stranger things have happened. It's interesting in a way thinking
about the dynamics and causes. Though Jeff R. is the looniest, there's
a lot of similarity in what he, DeMayo, and Williams do. Each of them
puts on airs of moral superiority. Each of them is sanctimonious and
hypocritical. Each of them parrots this by saying, No, I'm not, you
are, like a six-year-old.

Each of them acts in morally decrepit ways online, trying to destroy
threads, sabotaging discussions, flamebaiting. Each of them hasn't a
clue as to the difference between debate and flame. Whereas I try as I
can to ignore them, having nothing in common with what they collect
and not caring a whit about what they have to say, responding as now
only when attacked (and no doubt continuing with this longer than I
should), they follow me around, obsessively flamebaiting and flaming.
But they're not obsessed, they said so. At least Jeff R. did. No doubt
the other two have denied at some point any wrongdoing, which would be
in character with their ethical pretentiousness.

I believe you're right about the mentally disturbed part. No healthy
person acts like this. With each of them, I believe, there's reason
for their pathology, in some cases self-revealed, in some cases not,
as yet. But this again is getting old, and tired, and boring. The dark
underbelly of Usenet, this pathology. Time to move on. Time to talk
again about ... of all things ... coins. g

I'm just finishing up a fairly large effort to document on the Web
fakes of Alexander the Great coinage, similar in some ways to what I
did earlier in documenting Bust dollar forgeries. A lot of people get
cheated by these counterfeit scams. It's fun to play a part in
preventing some of this. I guess that ... getting back to the origin
of this thread ... this makes me guilty of contributing to terrorism.
g The ways the human minds works sometimes...

--

Email: (delete "remove this")

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Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom
Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos

"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message
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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:33:27 GMT, "note.boy"
wrote:

When my wife calls me a cheapskate I take it as a compliment. :-)

When my wife calls me, period, I take it as a compliment. g

I think of myself as thrifty, not cheap. I'm generous with my family
and with friends, but I've always had a hard time spending money on
myself.

....and you're kind to little children and you approve of motherhood, apple
pie and the flag.

Its a shame your self-expressed decency doesn't extend to behaving politely
and courteously in public fora.

Oh, and BTW, I'm 6'4", lean, well-muscled, incredibly fit, with classically
chiselled features and ans a superhuman reserve of tolerance and goodness.

--
Jeff R.
(whilst we're in self-description mode)

"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message
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Maybe the single funniest thing about Jeff R.'s anti-negotiating
screeds is how divorced they are from reality in numismatics. One of
the fun things about going to larger coin shows is watching how
dealers buy from one another or from suppliers. They almost always
negotiate, as far as I can tell anyway, and the negotiating involves
lots of psychology and persuasion and often good-natured humor. The
dynamic is interesting.

http://mendosus.com/coinbert.html

"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message
news
But negotiating is very much an integral part of the hobby and
profession of numismatics.

....and nowhere in the rules of life, the universe and everything is the
proclamation:

"YOU HAVE TO LIKE IT!"

....which is all I've ever said.

I'll say it again:

I don't like haggling over the price.
Never have.

I still *do* it, I just don't like it.
I clean out my greasetrap, too. Don't like that, either.

--
Jeff R.
(but then, I'm not entitled to an opinion)

"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message
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I've always tried to be a savvy consumer too, buying smart, not paying
too much, comparison shopping, reading consumer magazines, negotiating
when appropriate. There I go again, bragging about how I deprive
people of their ability to pay for their children's education. g

Cheapskate.

"Edward McGrath" wrote in message
...
Reid wrote: Are there others among the millions of people on Usenet so
obsessed with a single individual like this? snip I think gogu has a
crazy loon that follows him around obsessively in Rcc.

Ted, its interesting that you would choose gogu as an example in your
attempts to insult me. Why don't you ask him (Hi, Costas!) if he considers
me to be a trolling loon or not. ASsk him about Jeff from Sydney.

Reid the bottom
line with all these childish attacks against you are due to these
flametards jealousy of you. These ****y flamers can't win an intelligent
argument with you

Ted, an "intelligent argument" would demand that the other party addresses
(or better, "answers") any points that are put to them in such an argument.

Re-read Ried's responses. He never does that.
That's an important point, Ted. I'll repeat it for you:

================================================== =========
Reid does not respond to substantive points in an argument.
================================================== =========

Check it yourself. Google back as far as you like. Where Reid has deleted
his posts, you'll often find that a helpful forum member has quoted it in
full, so occasionally you'll have to find his "work" under someone else's
name.

The fact is, Reid doesn't argue. He insults.
After insulting, he then hijacks the thread and drives it off at a tangent,
seeking to deflect criticism by changing the subject.

Ted - check it out yourself.
Don't take my work for it.
Look in this very thread.

....

Reid in the link to the site they put a monkey on your head and called
it Nick and I think they depicted the monkey screwing your ear hole.
that shows how mentally disturbed they are. Ed


ROTFLMAO!

Oh Ted, stop it!
You really are priceless!
http://mendosus.com/****i.html
*THAT* is what you saw? The monkey (Nick) screwing ****i (Reid) in the
earhole?
(difficult to type - laughing too hard!)

Ted, here is the original, unaltered illustration:
http://mendosus.com/jpg/pippi.jpg

....and you saw WHAT?

You are seriously unhinged. To quote yourself: "...that shows how mentally
disturbed they are".

Mr Pot - meet Mr Kettle.

You owe Astrid Lindgren a sincere apology.


--
Jeff R.