Russian Cancel

Hi

Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian
cancel and also locate this town or village?

http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF
an enlargement of the most legible cancel
http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6

I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a
souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941.
Thus the importance of the location.

Best regards from snow-white Quebec.

Richard

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Richard Thouin wrote :
Hi

Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on
this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village?

http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF
an enlargement of the most legible cancel
http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6

I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card,
actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's
invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of
the location.

Best regards from snow-white Quebec.

Richard

Bonjour !

I make it Baranovici-BSSR : Baranovici, in Bielorussia or
Belarus.

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Cordialement,
Bruno

"Richard Thouin" /invalid wrote in message
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Hi

Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian
cancel and also locate this town or village?

http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF
an enlargement of the most legible cancel
http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6

I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a
souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941.
Thus the importance of the location.

Hi Richard.

The only reference I can find for Barakovici is in Serbia.
Latitude 43.1308 - Longitude 20.4897 - Altitude (feet) 1679
Lat (DMS) 43° 7' 51N - Long (DMS) 20° 29' 23E - Altitude (meters) 511

Hope this is correct and helps.
--
Tony Vella, Ottawa, Canada
http://tv-stamps.shorturl.com

"bc92" wrote in message
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Richard Thouin wrote :
Hi

Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on
this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village?

http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF
an enlargement of the most legible cancel
http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6

I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card,
actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's
invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of
the location.

Best regards from snow-white Quebec.

Richard

Bonjour !

I make it Baranovici-BSSR : Baranovici, in Bielorussia or Belarus.

Of course! I need more coffee. Sorry about that!
--
Tony Vella, Ottawa, Canada

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"bc92" wrote:

Richard Thouin wrote :
Hi

Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on
this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village?

http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF
an enlargement of the most legible cancel
http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6

I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card,
actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's
invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of
the location.

Best regards from snow-white Quebec.

Richard

Bonjour !

I make it Baranovici-BSSR : Baranovici, in Bielorussia or
Belarus.

Merci Bruno

That was fast!

I understand Baranovici was occupied by the Germans on June 29, 1941.
Now, why would someone want to produce a philatelic souvenir of the
first day of the invasion, seven days prior to the town being occupied?

Richard

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"bc92" wrote:

Richard Thouin wrote :
Hi

Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on
this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village?

http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF
an enlargement of the most legible cancel
http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6

I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card,
actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's
invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of
the location.

Best regards from snow-white Quebec.

Richard

Bonjour !

I make it Baranovici-BSSR : Baranovici, in Bielorussia or
Belarus.

Merci Bruno

That was fast!

I understand Baranovici was occupied by the Germans on June 29, 1941.
Now, why would someone want to produce a philatelic souvenir of the
first day of the invasion, seven days prior to the town being occupied?

Bonsoir,

Baranovichi indeed. BSSR means of course Belorussia (White Russia,
Belorusskaia Sovetskaia Sotsialisticheskaia Respublika).

To answer your question, it is possible that:

- A stamp collector just wanted a souvenir from the beginning of the war
- Or he has eventually seen the war as a coming soon liberation of his
country from the communism (note: at that time they didn't know that the
Nazis represented the same kind of evil).

--
Victor Manta

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Richard Thouin wrote :

I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card,
actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's
invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of
the location.

I understand Baranovici was occupied by the Germans on
June 29, 1941. Now, why would someone want to produce a
philatelic souvenir of the first day of the invasion,
seven days prior to the town being occupied?

June 22, 1941 was a sunday, for what it's worth.

--
Cordialement,
Bruno

On Nov 17, 3:14 pm, Richard Thouin /invalid wrote:
Hi

Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian
cancel and also locate this town or village?

http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF
an enlargement of the most legible cancelhttp://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6

I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a
souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941.
Thus the importance of the location.

Best regards from snow-white Quebec.

Richard

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Hello Richard:

In my opinion, the cancel is from Baranavichy (Baranovichi)
in Belarus (then the Belarusian S S R). Population (1995) 173,000
It is located about 206 km North East of Bierascie (Brest).

Modern maps showing location of the city: ( ~ 53 North 26 East)
http://www.loc.gov/rr/international/...ges/by-map.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/e...7/bel_map2.gif

My evidence:

(1) Here is a postcard from Baranavichy in 1910. Please note the town
name in cyrillic
letters at top left corner (after the 3) and compare to the
cancel.
The card shows Maryinski Street, if I am reading correctly.
http://baranavichy.at.tut.by/p_03_G.jpg
.

(2) It is an important railway centre. The city coat of arms has a
train on it.
http://www.belarusguide.com/images/p...aranovichy.png

This would make it an important early target for the German Army.
Here is a 1940 map showing the city mid-way on the route from
Brest (Polish
Border) to Minsk (Belarus capital).
http://www.belarusguide.com/as/map_text/bssr1940.html

Here is a postcard from that city (1911) showing oval railway post
office cancels
with the city name at the left side. http://baranavichy.at.tut.by/P_1911_41749.jpg


(3) The date of your cover, 22 June 1941, marked the start of the
German
invasion of Russia (Operation Barbarossa). I suspect that being
so close to
the Polish border and being so important, Baranavichy fell to the
Gernans on
the 22 or 23 of June.

Summer 1944 marked the liberation of all Belarus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E...to_1944-12.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussian_Offensive

Blair

Bruno, Tony, Victor and Blair

Thanks for the input.

Blair, some of your links are broken or incomplete.

Best regards

Richard


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"Blair (TC)" wrote:

On Nov 17, 3:14 pm, Richard Thouin /invalid wrote:
Hi

Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian
cancel and also locate this town or village?

http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF
an enlargement of the most legible cancelhttp://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6

I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a
souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941.
Thus the importance of the location.

Best regards from snow-white Quebec.

Richard

--
Pour répondre en perso insérer r devant mon nom et retrancher
/invalid
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Hello Richard:

In my opinion, the cancel is from Baranavichy (Baranovichi)
in Belarus (then the Belarusian S S R). Population (1995) 173,000
It is located about 206 km North East of Bierascie (Brest).

Modern maps showing location of the city: ( ~ 53 North 26 East)
http://www.loc.gov/rr/international/...ges/by-map.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/estates/3337/bel map2.gif

My evidence:

(1) Here is a postcard from Baranavichy in 1910. Please note the town
name in cyrillic
letters at top left corner (after the 3) and compare to the
cancel.
The card shows Maryinski Street, if I am reading correctly.
http://baranavichy.at.tut.by/p 03 G.jpg
.

(2) It is an important railway centre. The city coat of arms has a
train on it.
http://www.belarusguide.com/images/p...aranavichy/COA Baranovichy.png

This would make it an important early target for the German Army.
Here is a 1940 map showing the city mid-way on the route from
Brest (Polish
Border) to Minsk (Belarus capital).
http://www.belarusguide.com/as/map text/bssr1940.html

Here is a postcard from that city (1911) showing oval railway post
office cancels
with the city name at the left side. http://baranavichy.at.tut.by/P 1911
41749.jpg


(3) The date of your cover, 22 June 1941, marked the start of the
German
invasion of Russia (Operation Barbarossa). I suspect that being
so close to
the Polish border and being so important, Baranavichy fell to the
Gernans on
the 22 or 23 of June.

Summer 1944 marked the liberation of all Belarus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Eastern Front 1943-08 to 1944-12.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussian Offensive

Blair

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"bc92" wrote in message
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Richard Thouin wrote :

I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card,
actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's
invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of
the location.

I understand Baranovici was occupied by the Germans on
June 29, 1941. Now, why would someone want to produce a
philatelic souvenir of the first day of the invasion,
seven days prior to the town being occupied?

June 22, 1941 was a sunday, for what it's worth.

Interesting. Was this cover done by the postmaster himself, for him or for a
friend?

Just to notice the June 22, 1941 speech of the German chancellor:
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/hitler4.htm
Eventually skip the long blah-blahs but not the fact of a huge number of
Soviet divisions standing (actually hiding) at the borders. The speaker knew
only a part of the truth, for example quite nothing about the 2nd and 3rd
strategic echelons, an important part of the Soviet's "pre-war" total
mobilization, that were moving toward the German - USSR (in Poland, occupied
by both) and Romanian - USSR borders.

--
Victor Manta

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