OT-mass murder foiled-thanks to "W" working with the Brits

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REVIEW & OUTLOOK

'Mass-Murder' Foiled
August 11, 2006; Page A12

Americans went to work yesterday to news of another astonishing terror
plot against U.S. airlines, only this time the response was grateful
relief. British authorities had busted the "very sophisticated" plan
"to commit mass murder" and arrested 20-plus British-Pakistani
suspects. As we approach the fifth anniversary of 9/11 without another
major attack on U.S. soil, now is the right moment to consider the
policies that have protected us -- and those in public life who have
fought those policies nearly every step of the way.

It's not as if the "Islamic fascists" -- to borrow President Bush's
description yesterday -- haven't been trying to hit us. They took more
than 50 lives last year in London with the "7/7" subway bombings. There
was the catastrophic attack in Madrid the year before that left nearly
200 dead. But there have also been successes. Some have been
publicized, such as a foiled plot to poison Britain's food supply with
ricin. But undoubtedly many have not, because authorities don't want to
compromise sources and methods, or because the would-be terrorists have
been captured or killed before they could carry out their plans.

In this case the diabolical scheme was to smuggle innocent-looking
liquid explosive components and detonators onto planes. They could then
be assembled onboard and exploded, perhaps over cities for maximum
horror. Multiply the passenger load of a 747 by, say, 10 airliners, and
this attack could have killed more people than 9/11. We don't yet know
how the plot was foiled, but surely part of the explanation was crack
surveillance work by British authorities.

* * *
"This wasn't supposed to happen today," a U.S. official told the
Washington Post of the arrests and terror alert. "It was supposed to
happen several days from now. We hear the British lost track of one or
two guys. They had to move." Meanwhile, British antiterrorism chief
Peter Clarke said at a news conference that the plot was foiled because
"a large number of people" had been under surveillance, with police
monitoring "spending, travel and communications."


Let's emphasize that again: The plot was foiled because a large number
of people were under surveillance concerning their spending, travel and
communications. Which leads us to wonder if Scotland Yard would have
succeeded if the ACLU or the New York Times had first learned the
details of such surveillance programs.

And almost on political cue yesterday, Members of the Congressional
Democratic leadership were using the occasion to suggest that the U.S.
is actually more vulnerable today despite this antiterror success.
Harry Reid, who's bidding to run the Senate as Majority Leader, saw it
as one more opportunity to insist that "The Iraq war has diverted our
focus and more than $300 billion in resources from the war on terrorism
and has created a rallying cry for international terrorists."

Ted Kennedy chimed in that "it is clear that our misguided policies are
making America more hated in the world and making the war on terrorism
harder to win." Mr. Kennedy somehow overlooked that the foiled plan was
nearly identical to the "Bojinka" plot led by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed to blow up airliners over the Pacific Ocean in 1995.
Did the Clinton Administration's "misguided policies" invite that plot?
And if the Iraq war is a diversion and provocation, just what policies
would Senators Reid and Kennedy have us "focus" on?

Surveillance? Hmmm. Democrats and their media allies screamed bloody
murder last year when it was leaked that the government was monitoring
some communications outside the context of a law known as the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act. FISA wasn't designed for, nor does it
forbid, the timely exploitation of what are often anonymous phone
numbers, and the calls monitored had at least one overseas connection.
But Mr. Reid labelled such surveillance "illegal" and an "NSA domestic
spying program." Other Democrats are still saying they will censure, or
even impeach, Mr. Bush over the FISA program if they win control of
Congress.

This year the attempt to paint Bush Administration policies as a clear
and present danger to civil liberties continued when USA Today hyped a
story on how some U.S. phone companies were keeping call logs. The
obvious reason for such logs is that the government might need them to
trace the communications of a captured terror suspect. And then there
was the recent brouhaha when the New York Times decided news of a
secret, successful and entirely legal program to monitor bank transfers
between bad guys was somehow in the "public interest" to expose.

For that matter, we don't recall most advocates of a narrowly "focused"
war on terror having many kind words for the Patriot Act, which broke
down what in the 1990s was a crippling "wall" of separation between our
own intelligence and law-enforcement agencies. Senator Reid was
"focused" enough on this issue to brag, prematurely as it turned out,
that he had "killed" its reauthorization.

And what about interrogating terror suspects when we capture them? It
is elite conventional wisdom these days that techniques no worse than
psychological pressure and stress positions constitute "torture." There
is also continued angst about the detention of terror suspects at
Guantanamo Bay, even as Senators and self-styled civil libertarians
fight Bush Administration attempts to process them through military
tribunals that won't compromise sources and methods.

In short, Democrats who claim to want "focus" on the war on terror have
wanted it fought without the intelligence, interrogation and detention
tools necessary to win it. And if they cite "cooperation" with our
allies as some kind of magical answer, they should be reminded that the
British and other European legal systems generally permit far more
intrusive surveillance and detention policies than the Bush
Administration has ever contemplated. Does anyone think that when the
British interrogate those 20 or so suspects this week that they will
recoil at harsh or stressful questioning?

Another issue that should be front and center again is ethnic
profiling. We'd be shocked if such profiling wasn't a factor in the
selection of surveillance targets that resulted in yesterday's arrests.
Here in the U.S., the arrests should be a reminder of the dangers posed
by a politically correct system of searching 80-year-old airplane
passengers with the same vigor as screeners search young men of Muslim
origin. There is no civil right to board an airplane without extra
hassle, any more than drivers in high-risk demographics have a right to
the same insurance rates as a soccer mom.

* * *
The real lesson of yesterday's antiterror success in Britain is that
the threat remains potent, and that the U.S. government needs to be
using every legal tool to defeat it. At home, that includes
intelligence and surveillance and data-mining, and abroad it means all
of those as well as an aggressive military plan to disrupt and kill
terrorists where they live so they are constantly on defense rather
than plotting to blow up U.S.-bound airliners.

As the time since 9/11 has passed, many of America's elites have begun
to portray U.S. government policies as a greater threat than the
terrorists themselves. George Soros and others have said this
explicitly, and their political allies in Congress and the media have
staged a relentless campaign against the very practices that saved
innocent lives this week. We doubt that many Americans who will soon
board an airplane agree.

On 13 Aug 2006 05:43:04 -0700, "455 Pontiac on premium Sunoco-chariot
of the gods" wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...TIxNTE3Wj.html

REVIEW & OUTLOOK

'Mass-Murder' Foiled
August 11, 2006; Page A12 snip

snipping all the crap

Idiot..."Dubya" had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. It was the Brits at MI6
that cracked this one. As usual, the American CIA had their thumbs up
their asses. "Dubya" was completely clueless about the whole thing
until Scotland Yard made the arrests.

DeserTBoB wrote:
On 13 Aug 2006 05:43:04 -0700, "455 Pontiac on premium Sunoco-chariot
of the gods" wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...TIxNTE3Wj.html

REVIEW & OUTLOOK

'Mass-Murder' Foiled
August 11, 2006; Page A12 snip

snipping all the crap

Idiot..."Dubya" had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. It was the Brits at MI6
that cracked this one. As usual, the American CIA had their thumbs up
their asses. "Dubya" was completely clueless about the whole thing
until Scotland Yard made the arrests.


your party is the one that said this threat did not exist- well, you're
WRONG again !!

W had everything to do with it

he rules

hopefully, Cheney will run with Bush as VP this time- 8 more years !!

8 more years !!

then we can cut your pension down- to NOTHING

DeserTBoB wrote:
On 13 Aug 2006 05:43:04 -0700, "455 Pontiac on premium Sunoco-chariot
of the gods" wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...TIxNTE3Wj.html

REVIEW & OUTLOOK

'Mass-Murder' Foiled
August 11, 2006; Page A12 snip

snipping all the crap

Idiot..."Dubya" had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. It was the Brits at MI6
that cracked this one. As usual, the American CIA had their thumbs up
their asses. "Dubya" was completely clueless about the whole thing
until Scotland Yard made the arrests.


hehe...

hahahaha..

LAUGHTER....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

8 MORE YEARS- CHENEY-BUSH '08 !!!

On 13 Aug 2006 11:05:49 -0700, "455 Pontiac on premium Sunoco-chariot
of the gods" wrote:

your party is the one that said this threat did not exist- well, you're
WRONG again !! snip

Never did. Prove it.

W had everything to do with it snip

ZERO to do with it. It was all MI6.

he rules snip

....a deluded world in where fantasy is his reality.

hopefully, Cheney will run with Bush as VP this time- 8 more years !!

8 more years !! snip

Uh...I think, with 17% approval rating, Cheney couldn't get elected as
dog catcher of Luzerne County. The corporate slobs who were trying
draft him for '08 even gave up, one stating that "Dick Cheney is
unelectable."

then we can cut your pension down- to NOTHING snip

See? Puerile jealousy, another symptom of THC-induced Personality
Disorder. He's jealous because I worked hard for years and have a
good pension and excellent union savings/investment plan that paid big
dividends. He has nothing, except a vacation shack in a rundown
development that he has to live in year 'round.

Nice going, ****tard. Papa Noodles would have been SO proud...NOT! No
wonder he beat the **** out of you as a kid.

On 13 Aug 2006 12:08:19 -0700, "455 Pontiac on premium Sunoco-chariot
of the gods" wrote:

8 MORE YEARS- CHENEY-BUSH '08 !!! snip

THAT ticket has about as much chance as a fart in a hurricane.

And if the Iraq war is a diversion and provocation, just what policies
would Senators Reid and Kennedy have us "focus" on?
Don't know about Reid, but Ted "Who's Up For A Moonlight
Swim?" Kennedy would no doubt back free pastries and plenty of 'em. Washed
down with bootleg whiskey.

Idiot..."Dubya" had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. It was the Brits at MI6
that cracked this one. As usual, the American CIA had their thumbs up
their asses. "Dubya" was completely clueless about the whole thing
until Scotland Yard made the arrests.
You don't think Bush spitting chunks of buttered roll at
their boss Blair wasn't the secret code that broke the terrorist ring?

William W Western wrote:
And if the Iraq war is a diversion and provocation, just what policies
would Senators Reid and Kennedy have us "focus" on?
Don't know about Reid, but Ted "Who's Up For A Moonlight
Swim?" Kennedy would no doubt back free pastries and plenty of 'em. Washed
down with bootleg whiskey.


yes, DB's model of liberal politics, whose family made their fortune on
illegal bootleg whiskey...DB should report them- after all, DB is the
tattle tale strangler

(chuckle...)

On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:39:07 GMT, "William W Western"
wrote:

You don't think Bush spitting chunks of buttered roll at
their boss Blair wasn't the secret code that broke the terrorist ring? snip

Noodles evidently thinks as much!