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SS Central America Octagonal Humbert $50 Gold Commemorative 2.5ounce gold coin is it worth buying?
On Jul 7, 11:27*pm, Scratchmo wrote:
On Jul 7, 11:06*pm, oly wrote: On Jul 7, 10:53*pm, Scratchmo wrote: On Jul 7, 9:37*pm, oly wrote: On Jul 7, 9:01*pm, Scratchmo wrote: On Jul 7, 8:52*pm, oly wrote: On Jul 7, 8:41*pm, Scratchmo wrote: On Jul 7, 8:34*pm, "Bob F." wrote: "Scratchmo" wrote in message ... . The most deceiving alterations are produced from authentic U.S. coins, but I don't hear you get down on the Mint for making coins that look too much like U.S. coins. That is probably the dumbest, most inane thing I've read in this NG since Prancing Francine Prilosec's last post. The bottom line is that you destroyed priceless artifacts to make some crappy imitation slugs so you could put a few bucks in your pocket. Don't even dare to think of yourself as a numismatist, you're just a huckster (not at all unlike Francine!) I didn't destroy anything. I engraved a set of dies for my client.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text Evasion!!! *Albert Speer only produced "architectural plans" for his client. *Of course, Herr Speer was "only trying to make a living". oly Jesus Christ. NOW I'm a jew killing nazi just because I took on a job that RESEMBLES a California Gold Rush coin (on ONE side)? Let's get back to reality. *I refer back to my original question... If it bothers you so much that these bars were used to create these pieces.... why didn't you buy them so you could preserve them in the way you see fit?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Read about it in wikipedia. *Albert Speer didn't consider himself a Nazi. *He just needed work. *Times were tough in 1930s Germany for artistic creative persons like himself. *Speer was just doing a job for a client. *It looks like your situational ethics mirror his. *"I didn't run the V-2 flying bomb factories, or fire them off towards London; I just drew up the plans." *Yes, your GMM replicas are minor **** in comparison, but the amoral attitude is very similar. As for my financial ability to buy and preserve the Central America bars, of course I don't have that ability. *If I did, I would own several. But your insistence that this financial ability is somehow important brings this topic kind of comes back around to how this thread started. If my memory serves, Ron Landis first came to the attention of the numismatic community when he was living in Spain about 1983 and proposed establishing a medieval style mint facility there. *Several years later, he re-emerged on the numismatic scene, now located in Arkansas and set up a workshop along the lines of what he had proposed in Spain. *Based upon your ability to live for some uncertain time in Europe, combined with a certain arrogance(???) about money, I ask again: Are you sure that you aren't some form of trust fund baby??? oly Ha Ha Ha.. If you only knew. You're right about Spain. I was there in 1988 and hammered out the concept with Glenn Murray who is still there. (he has the patience of a saint) In fact, I am still involved in that project and planning to return in a few months. They are still going by my original plan. (the same concept we used for the Gallery Mint Museum.) The Segovia Mint is almost fully restored and ready to install the waterwheels, rolling mills, etc. It is the first mechanized mint in Spain, built by King Phillip II, the oldest mechanized factory still standing. Now, it's been restored to it's original glory. *But they are having the same problem we encountered as far as funding the actual exhibits. (money) I donated a lot of my time and built a set of bellows that will be used in their foundry and hope to do more for them. My point is about the bars... Of course you don't have that kind of money.. If I did, I would own one too. *Those very large bars are EXTREMELY hard to sell. There is a VERY limited market at 3-4X melt value. *They used two very large bars for the project we're talking about. I was told that besides being very large, they were kind of boogered up, and that's why they were chosen for this project. Monaco bought those things for the sole purpose of selling for a profit. It's THEIR property to do with as they like. *They're not building gas chambers to kill Jews. It's all about supply and demand. I personally don't see a problem with it, and will defend THEIR right to do with THEIR property as they see fit. *I personally think they did something very classy with the gold. I know you see it different. You have a right to your opinion.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - All right, we are back to agree to disagree. *I did not know that the Spanish project had gone forward after all these years and would be happy to hear more about that whenever. *Enjoy Spain, I hear it's less expensive now than in recent years. oly That's good news. On the down side, I've also heard that American- Spanish relations are not so well these days, but I don't think that will affect me in any way. Check it out... *http://www.segoviamint.org/english/restoration.htm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quite a nice website - what a huge re-building project. Lots of Euros being spent there. oly |
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SS Central America Octagonal Humbert $50 Gold Commemorative 2.5ounce gold coin is it worth buying?
On Jul 8, 12:12*am, oly wrote:
On Jul 7, 11:27*pm, Scratchmo wrote: On Jul 7, 11:06*pm, oly wrote: On Jul 7, 10:53*pm, Scratchmo wrote: On Jul 7, 9:37*pm, oly wrote: On Jul 7, 9:01*pm, Scratchmo wrote: On Jul 7, 8:52*pm, oly wrote: On Jul 7, 8:41*pm, Scratchmo wrote: On Jul 7, 8:34*pm, "Bob F." wrote: "Scratchmo" wrote in message ... . The most deceiving alterations are produced from authentic U.S. coins, but I don't hear you get down on the Mint for making coins that look too much like U.S. coins. That is probably the dumbest, most inane thing I've read in this NG since Prancing Francine Prilosec's last post. The bottom line is that you destroyed priceless artifacts to make some crappy imitation slugs so you could put a few bucks in your pocket. Don't even dare to think of yourself as a numismatist, you're just a huckster (not at all unlike Francine!) I didn't destroy anything. I engraved a set of dies for my client.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text Evasion!!! *Albert Speer only produced "architectural plans" for his client. *Of course, Herr Speer was "only trying to make a living". oly Jesus Christ. NOW I'm a jew killing nazi just because I took on a job that RESEMBLES a California Gold Rush coin (on ONE side)? Let's get back to reality. *I refer back to my original question... If it bothers you so much that these bars were used to create these pieces.... why didn't you buy them so you could preserve them in the way you see fit?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Read about it in wikipedia. *Albert Speer didn't consider himself a Nazi. *He just needed work. *Times were tough in 1930s Germany for artistic creative persons like himself. *Speer was just doing a job for a client. *It looks like your situational ethics mirror his.. *"I didn't run the V-2 flying bomb factories, or fire them off towards London; I just drew up the plans." *Yes, your GMM replicas are minor **** in comparison, but the amoral attitude is very similar. As for my financial ability to buy and preserve the Central America bars, of course I don't have that ability. *If I did, I would own several. But your insistence that this financial ability is somehow important brings this topic kind of comes back around to how this thread started. If my memory serves, Ron Landis first came to the attention of the numismatic community when he was living in Spain about 1983 and proposed establishing a medieval style mint facility there. *Several years later, he re-emerged on the numismatic scene, now located in Arkansas and set up a workshop along the lines of what he had proposed in Spain. *Based upon your ability to live for some uncertain time in Europe, combined with a certain arrogance(???) about money, I ask again: Are you sure that you aren't some form of trust fund baby??? oly Ha Ha Ha.. If you only knew. You're right about Spain. I was there in 1988 and hammered out the concept with Glenn Murray who is still there. (he has the patience of a saint) In fact, I am still involved in that project and planning to return in a few months. They are still going by my original plan. (the same concept we used for the Gallery Mint Museum.) The Segovia Mint is almost fully restored and ready to install the waterwheels, rolling mills, etc. It is the first mechanized mint in Spain, built by King Phillip II, the oldest mechanized factory still standing. Now, it's been restored to it's original glory. *But they are having the same problem we encountered as far as funding the actual exhibits. (money) I donated a lot of my time and built a set of bellows that will be used in their foundry and hope to do more for them. My point is about the bars... Of course you don't have that kind of money.. If I did, I would own one too. *Those very large bars are EXTREMELY hard to sell. There is a VERY limited market at 3-4X melt value. *They used two very large bars for the project we're talking about. I was told that besides being very large, they were kind of boogered up, and that's why they were chosen for this project. Monaco bought those things for the sole purpose of selling for a profit. It's THEIR property to do with as they like. *They're not building gas chambers to kill Jews. It's all about supply and demand. I personally don't see a problem with it, and will defend THEIR right to do with THEIR property as they see fit. *I personally think they did something very classy with the gold. I know you see it different. You have a right to your opinion.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - All right, we are back to agree to disagree. *I did not know that the Spanish project had gone forward after all these years and would be happy to hear more about that whenever. *Enjoy Spain, I hear it's less expensive now than in recent years. oly That's good news. On the down side, I've also heard that American- Spanish relations are not so well these days, but I don't think that will affect me in any way. Check it out... *http://www.segoviamint.org/english/restoration.htm-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quite a nice website - what a huge re-building project. *Lots of Euros being spent there. *oly It's no small undertaking. And when you figure in years of set-backs due to mayoral scandals, and government agency involvement, It's a miracle Glenn has made it this far. I got frustrated years ago, and took my toys and came home. It was a hard sell for me to find support here in the States. I was constantly asked the question.. "Why can't we have something like that here in the USA?" I listened and the Gallery Mint Museum was born. |
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SS Central America Octagonal Humbert $50 Gold Commemorative 2.5 ounce gold coin is it worth buying?
"Scratchmo" wrote in message ... Oly, you seem to be the world's expert on what other people should do with their personal property. Keep in mind the people that purchased the Central America treasure did so to make a profit. You could have purchased ALL the bars and preserved them but you didn't. It's also hypocritical that you criticize me for destroying those bars, and also condemn me for NOT destroying my own creations. Again, if you would like to fund my efforts, and destroy the results, it would be YOUR property to do as you like. But don't condemn me for taking on this commission so I can make a living at my chosen career. It's better I did it using historically accurate techniques than have them go elsewhere and get a sub-standard pantograph job. Do yourself a favor and ignore this bloviating, racist, blind-right-wing-extremist. |
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SS Central America Octagonal Humbert $50 Gold Commemorative 2.5 ounce gold coin is it worth buying?
On Jul 7, 8:52 pm, oly wrote: Evasion!!! Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Pot. |
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SS Central America Octagonal Humbert $50 Gold Commemorative 2.5 ounce gold coin is it worth buying?
"Scratchmo" wrote in message ... On Jul 7, 8:34 pm, "Bob F." wrote: "Scratchmo" wrote in message ... . The most deceiving alterations are produced from authentic U.S. coins, but I don't hear you get down on the Mint for making coins that look too much like U.S. coins. That is probably the dumbest, most inane thing I've read in this NG since Prancing Francine Prilosec's last post. The bottom line is that you destroyed priceless artifacts to make some crappy imitation slugs so you could put a few bucks in your pocket. Don't even dare to think of yourself as a numismatist, you're just a huckster (not at all unlike Francine!) I didn't destroy anything. I engraved a set of dies for my client. bob f and oly are trolls, please do not feed them, thanks. Billy |
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SS Central America Octagonal Humbert $50 Gold Commemorative 2.5ounce gold coin is it worth buying?
On Jul 9, 2:05*pm, "note.boy" wrote:
"Scratchmo" wrote in message ... On Jul 7, 8:34 pm, "Bob F." wrote: "Scratchmo" wrote in message .... . The most deceiving alterations are produced from authentic U.S. coins, but I don't hear you get down on the Mint for making coins that look too much like U.S. coins. That is probably the dumbest, most inane thing I've read in this NG since Prancing Francine Prilosec's last post. The bottom line is that you destroyed priceless artifacts to make some crappy imitation slugs so you could put a few bucks in your pocket. Don't even dare to think of yourself as a numismatist, you're just a huckster (not at all unlike Francine!) I didn't destroy anything. I engraved a set of dies for my client. bob f and oly are trolls, please do not feed them, thanks. *Billy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Billy!!! Did they give finally you enough oatmeal that you could drag yourself up to the computer??? It's gonna be Dr. Sam Johnson's 300th birthday quite soon. He was a great great great Englishman who had minimal use for Scots (yet it was an unreliable Scotsman who immortalized Dr. Johnson's every spoken word and prejudice). oly |
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