When was the telescope invented?

Yes,
and Colombus did not discover America,
it was this fellow.
http://cjoint.com/data/hwmA6jq7Et.htm

how often do you see him on a stamp.

"Peter Baumann"
That's right, the inventor is said to be a Hans Lippershey, who lived in
Middelburg, Netherlands.
However, there are pictures of a telescope in the »Historica
scholastica«, which is dated before 1241.


Peter

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rodney wrote:
Yes,
and Colombus did not discover America,
it was this fellow.
http://cjoint.com/data/hwmA6jq7Et.htm

how often do you see him on a stamp.

I vote for Leif Eiriksson!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Ericson

http://www.humanities.uci.edu/mclark...hive/stamp.JPG

Newfoundland can be a wild, miserable place if you end up in the
wrong part of it - even the Vikings couldn't stand it and had to leave.

Ryan

On Jul 22, 9:47*am, Ryan Davenport wrote:

* * *Newfoundland can be a wild, miserable place if you end up in the
wrong part of it - even the Vikings couldn't stand it and had to leave.

* * *Ryan

So, Ryan, you have been to those bars in St. Johns, as well. 8*)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/...ae50c7e43a.jpg

Blair

"rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote in message
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Yes,
and Colombus did not discover America,
it was this fellow.
http://cjoint.com/data/hwmA6jq7Et.htm

how often do you see him on a stamp.

Often enough, IMHO.

"Vespucci's real historical importance may well rest more in his letters,
whether he wrote them all or not, than in his discoveries. From these
letters, the European public learned about the newly discovered continent of
the Americas for the first time; its existence became generally known
throughout Europe within a few years of the letters' publication."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo_Vespucci

As for the usage of a telescope by Columbus, which is very improbably,
anyway the first who has seen the new continent was the boy who was
observing the ocean, being sited on the mast (yep, our Terra was always
round . BTW, this doesn't make of him the discoverer of America either.

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"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
...
Ryan Davenport found these unused words:

rodney wrote:
Yes,
and Colombus did not discover America,
it was this fellow.
http://cjoint.com/data/hwmA6jq7Et.htm

how often do you see him on a stamp.

I vote for Leif Eiriksson!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Ericson

http://www.humanities.uci.edu/mclark...hive/stamp.JPG

Newfoundland can be a wild, miserable place if you end up in the
wrong part of it - even the Vikings couldn't stand it and had to leave.

Ryan

Wrong, neither 'discovered' North America.

Oriental/Indian races were here, in residence, long before either european
'civilization'.

Great, they have discovered themselves! I just wonder why this civilization
didn't inform others about their epochal discovery.

BTW, it is somehow strange to call them 'Oriental/Indian races' immediately
after the above "self-discovery" assertion. Isn't Native Americans the
politically correct name of these local populations?

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On Jul 22, 2:01*pm, "Victor Manta" wrote:

Wrong, neither 'discovered' North America.

That's the thing about Eurocentricity -- or anything-centricity,
including homocentricity -- "Proved that heavier-than-air flight was
possible" indeed. It's implicit -- bigots don't even realize it needs
to be accounted for.

"Discovered the Americans" -- informed the Europeans about the
Americas
"Invented the printing press" -- provided a printing press for
Europe, in a European alphabet
"Invented gunpowder" -- etc., etc., etc. along with revolutionary
concepts like algebra and the zero, as well as seemingly trivial
concepts such as pasta. Even many of the works of the ancient Greeks
had to be translated back from the Arabic: European civilization was
insufficient to preserve "its own" works.

Let's keep in mind, also, how many *populated* island nations in our
stamp albums were "discovered" by white explorers, and how well that
turned out for the residents.

I'm speaking as a white American from European stock, by the way.

Great, they have discovered themselves! I just wonder why this civilization
didn't inform others about their epochal discovery.

Worked so well for them when Europe found out about the continents,
didn't it? Genocide, germ warfare, theft, forced displacement,
forced religious conversion, breaking of contracts, incursion and
environmental destruction making traditional ways of life impossible,
just to start. I imagine that native populations wish the secret
could have remained so a bit longer, don't you?

Bringing it (partially and thankfully) back to stamps: Sitting Bull of
the Lakota Sioux -- a man I would argue a true American hero -- was
not recognized on a postage stamp until *1986*, and even then in an
essentially unusable denomination.

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On Jul 23, 1:39*am, Joshua McGee wrote:

Bringing it (partially and thankfully) back to stamps: Sitting Bull of
the Lakota Sioux -- a man I would argue a true American hero -- was
not recognized on a postage stamp until *1986*, and even then in an
essentially unusable denomination.

"Recognized on a US postage stamp", that is. U.S.-centricity.
While there are early depictions of anonymous Native Americans much
earlier, does anyone know the first Native American to be honored on a
US stamp?

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Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA
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virginia dare 1937?


"Joshua McGee" wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 1:39 am, Joshua McGee wrote:

Bringing it (partially and thankfully) back to stamps: Sitting Bull of
the Lakota Sioux -- a man I would argue a true American hero -- was
not recognized on a postage stamp until *1986*, and even then in an
essentially unusable denomination.

"Recognized on a US postage stamp", that is. U.S.-centricity.
While there are early depictions of anonymous Native Americans much
earlier, does anyone know the first Native American to be honored on a
US stamp?

--
Joshua H. McGee
Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

"Joshua McGee" wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 2:01 pm, "Victor Manta" wrote:

Great, they have discovered themselves! I just wonder why this
civilization
didn't inform others about their epochal discovery.

Worked so well for them when Europe found out about the continents,
didn't it? Genocide, germ warfare, theft, forced displacement,
forced religious conversion, breaking of contracts, incursion and
environmental destruction making traditional ways of life impossible,
just to start. I imagine that native populations wish the secret
could have remained so a bit longer, don't you?


I wouldn't presume that all "native populations wish the secret could have
remained so a bit longer".

"The deliberate taking of a human life was deemed necessary to sanctify
certain ritual occasions, such as the ascendancy to the throne by a new
ruler or the dedication of a new building. Naturally the capture of a rival
ruler was highly prized, as the sacrifice of the unfortunate individual lent
extra importance to the occasion. The usual method of such a sacrifice was
decapitation in a public ceremony. Aside from decapitation, the favored
method in Postclassic times was a trick acquired from the Mexican cultures
to the north, the removal of the heart. Women and children were sacrificed
just as often as men The intended victim was stripped and painted blue
before being led to a courtyard or temple where the victim would be placed
face-up over a convex altar-like stone also painted blue. The arms and legs
of the victim were held by specially designated priests while a fourth,
called the nacom, would penetrate the victim's chest with a flint knife just
below the left breast. Reaching inside the chest cavity, the nacom would
pull out the still beating heart and hand it to another priest, who would
then smear the blood on that idol to which the sacrifice had been made. If
the sacrifice had taken place on the top of a pyramid, the corpse would be
thrown to the courtyard below where priests of lower rank would skin the
victim except for the hands and feet. The skin would then be worn by the
officiating priest who would solemnly dance among the spectators. If the
victim had been an especially brave warrior his body might be butchered and
eaten by the nobles and other spectators."

http://ambergriscaye.com/museum/digit14.html

Have a nice day, and enjoy your meal and stamps!

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Victor Manta

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On Jul 23, 2:56*am, "rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote:
virginia dare 1937?

Funny. No, I didn't mean that. I meant "the first North American of
aboriginal/Asiatic descent" -- which is what "Native American" now
means in the U.S., and which, if you were joking, you may know
already.

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