WILL PCGS GRADE ERRORS?

Subject: WILL PCGS GRADE ERRORS?
From: "Linda"
Date: 8/7/03 2:23 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

I just bought a really neato keen 1999 P Roosevelt dime that is really
really off center, front AND back (okay, error guys, I assume this has a
name and I don't know what it is, but that's the best I can describe it) and
it is BU, I'd give it MS63 because it has a couple of tiny carbon spots on
the obvers and a few scratches on the obverse, reverse is beautimus, and it
isn't circulated. Will PCGS grade error coins?

PCGS will grade error coins, but I can see no reason to submit this coin for
encapsulation. An off-center dime is worth only a few bucks and the fee to
grade and encapsulate it will be hefty.


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Opinions expressed here are strictly my own.

Really? Front AND back? Dang. It's so pretty and weird.

"Mike Diamond" wrote in message
...
Subject: WILL PCGS GRADE ERRORS?
From: "Linda"
Date: 8/7/03 2:23 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

I just bought a really neato keen 1999 P Roosevelt dime that is really
really off center, front AND back (okay, error guys, I assume this has a
name and I don't know what it is, but that's the best I can describe it)
and
it is BU, I'd give it MS63 because it has a couple of tiny carbon spots
on
the obvers and a few scratches on the obverse, reverse is beautimus, and
it
isn't circulated. Will PCGS grade error coins?

PCGS will grade error coins, but I can see no reason to submit this coin
for
encapsulation. An off-center dime is worth only a few bucks and the fee
to
grade and encapsulate it will be hefty.


Host: Error Coin Information Exchange (Yahoo:Groups); CONECA #2969.
Opinions expressed here are strictly my own.

"Linda" seems surprised:

Really? Front AND back? Dang. It's so pretty and weird.

It's pretty hard for an off center strike to occur on only one side of a coin
;-)


++++++++++
Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge
When bidding online always sit on your helmet
Just say NO to counterfeits

ROTFL. Okay, point taken. Thanks. But WAH anyway!!! It's really a
nice one.

"Phil DeMayo" wrote in message
...
"Linda" seems surprised:

Really? Front AND back? Dang. It's so pretty and weird.

It's pretty hard for an off center strike to occur on only one side of a
coin
;-)


++++++++++
Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge
When bidding online always sit on your helmet
Just say NO to counterfeits

Not meaning to pick on Linda, but I do have to comment on this...

Having worked (tech support, sales, development, etc) with computers
for 14+ years, I am still amazed by the way people lay blame.

The scanner croaked (ok...sounds like it is a hardware problem....it
doesn't turn on?).
I doubt it was a Compaq scanner (maybe their name was on it, but it
was made by some other company that compaq buys it from).

So, back to the point.....if the scanner "croaked", then it is a
hardware problem and won't be fixed by messing with the software.

Now, I will agree...most of the software that comes with preloaded
machines sucks....it really does (I have been building my own machines
since the mid 1980's and I really dislike troubleshooting, or even
using, preloaded software). Imaging software that comes with the
scanners and PCs generally sucks too.

But, why blame the software if the scanner "croaked"?

Why blame windows if the software that came with the computer/scanner
is at fault?

What version of windows are you using anyway? Newest and greatest?
Old and wobegone?

The sad thing about windows and software/hardware is that it works
best with things that have been out for a little bit of time but not
too long (so, using 3 year old hardware/software after a newer version
of windows has come out may have issues....sad, but true). Same thing
with older versions of windows and new hardware/software. It may not
be supported on the older versions.

If the software was written well, it would have its own uninstaller
program that would completely remove it. But, cheap software doesn't
always do this well (you get what you pay for....and the hardware
makers aren't well known for spending money on good software to be
included for you).

Now, getting upset at windows (which runs on the VAST majority of PCs
and which is developed for by the vast majority of developers and
hardware makers) and running to linux...that has some support but is
still in the realms of PC literates and people who want to
tweak......well, i saw the issues you had with HTML posting.....best
wishes to you if you go that route before you become more computer
literate (and, that is not meant as a slam....just meant as what it
sounds like...best wishes if you go that route).

Going to a Mac.....well, that may be best for you. I haven't used one
in years and years (I didn't do graphics and they didn't allow me to
change hardware as much as I wanted and they were MUCH more
expensive)....but, I did sell them a few years back. They are good or
certain types of people....those that use them because their work
does, those that just like them, those that don't want to learn
anything about their computers other than the baseline of what they
want to use them for, teachers who use them for educational purposes
(their schools have it and their students use them and they have
programs for them, etc), and for graphics people (and others of
course).

I guess it is just every profession has their pet peeve of things they
hear and since I work in the PC industry, and have in one aspect or
another for years, this is my pet peeve.

So, sorry for the long diatribe, and this wasn't meant as a personal
attack, but, I do tire of hearing people say they have all these
problems and seemingly attribute it to the wrong spot (if the scanner
has problems, it isn't a windows problem and you would likely have
problems with the same scanner on a mac or linux machine).

If the scanner came with the compaq, or even if it didn't, and you are
having such problems, why not call tech support (yeah, I know hold
times can suck, but, that is what i use a speakerphone for so I
can do things while waiting for them).



Ron




On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:11:47 GMT, "Linda"
wrote:

Well, the scanner croaked yet again. It's a compaq, with the program that
comes with it and it is REALLY ticking me off. It has been almost worse
than useless the past two days and I reinstalled it FOUR times today, after
having to deal with the Winbloze failure to "remove it" with the remove
programs function, and manually having to find every freaking thing
connected to it and edit the register. Grr. I will reboot and try now to
scan it.

Do not buy compaq. Do not buy windows. going to Mac or Linux or Unix or
ANYTHING else first $$$$$ megabucks I get for a new computer ....
"Larry Louks" wrote in message
. net...
Linda wrote:
Really? Front AND back? Dang. It's so pretty and weird.

Hey there, Linda. If you can round up a picture of that little beauty,
please post it so that we can enjoy it along with you.

-=LDL

Anyone running Winbloze for any appreciable amount of time, or the bloated
software running under it, has likely experienced the same amazing
phenomenon and that you think it was a "hardware problem" as a first choice
exhibits an astonishing unfamiliarity with the extremely common issues in
the Winbloze operating system and software running under it.

One common problem can be caused by a bug in the underlying program itself,
which causes the program to go into an endless loop, using up all the CPU
time, and for the end user, creating what appears to be a "freeze."

And surely you're familiar with Bill Gates infamous' "blue screen of death"
presentation? If not, here ya' go:
http://alt.venus.co.uk/weed/humour/gates30.htm

Another problem is a common memory error generally seen with consumer
versions of Windows (95/98/98SE/ME) because of their lack of protected
memory. These operating systems share memory, and it is possible that a
memory location where any given program has stored some of its data gets
overwritten, either by another program or by Winblows itself (such a
wonderful program, that Winbloze). Often, rebooting the system will fix this
problem, but it is also possible for data to be written directly over
program code, corrupting the program and requiring reinstallation, as many
Mac/Linus/*nix users and future users who formerly used Winbloze have
discovered.

Another common issue with Windows is a corrupted registry, thanks to
Winblows hella bad "install/de-install" that rarely, if ever works properly,
leaving crap in the registry and all over the hard-drive, and, as with the
above para, writing over itself on its own.

If you need a short course on just how bad it is, read a few of these:

http://www.windowscrash.com/

http://www.ihl.state.ms.us/cts/__Hel...ws_Crsshes.pdf

http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2003/04/24.1.shtml

http://rss.com.com/2110-1041_3-10009...feed&subj=news

http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/tec070801.html

http://www.rosecitysoftware.com/Reg1...1aid-corp.html

http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win95/n1026694638


"Ron" wrote in message
...
Not meaning to pick on Linda, but I do have to comment on this...

ROTFLMAO.


Having worked (tech support, sales, development, etc) with computers
for 14+ years, I am still amazed by the way people lay blame.

The scanner croaked (ok...sounds like it is a hardware problem....it
doesn't turn on?).
I doubt it was a Compaq scanner (maybe their name was on it, but it
was made by some other company that compaq buys it from).

So, back to the point.....if the scanner "croaked", then it is a
hardware problem and won't be fixed by messing with the software.

Now, I will agree...most of the software that comes with preloaded
machines sucks....it really does (I have been building my own machines
since the mid 1980's and I really dislike troubleshooting, or even
using, preloaded software). Imaging software that comes with the
scanners and PCs generally sucks too.

But, why blame the software if the scanner "croaked"?

Why blame windows if the software that came with the computer/scanner
is at fault?

What version of windows are you using anyway? Newest and greatest?
Old and wobegone?

The sad thing about windows and software/hardware is that it works
best with things that have been out for a little bit of time but not
too long (so, using 3 year old hardware/software after a newer version
of windows has come out may have issues....sad, but true). Same thing
with older versions of windows and new hardware/software. It may not
be supported on the older versions.

If the software was written well, it would have its own uninstaller
program that would completely remove it. But, cheap software doesn't
always do this well (you get what you pay for....and the hardware
makers aren't well known for spending money on good software to be
included for you).

Now, getting upset at windows (which runs on the VAST majority of PCs
and which is developed for by the vast majority of developers and
hardware makers) and running to linux...that has some support but is
still in the realms of PC literates and people who want to
tweak......well, i saw the issues you had with HTML posting.....best
wishes to you if you go that route before you become more computer
literate (and, that is not meant as a slam....just meant as what it
sounds like...best wishes if you go that route).

Going to a Mac.....well, that may be best for you. I haven't used one
in years and years (I didn't do graphics and they didn't allow me to
change hardware as much as I wanted and they were MUCH more
expensive)....but, I did sell them a few years back. They are good or
certain types of people....those that use them because their work
does, those that just like them, those that don't want to learn
anything about their computers other than the baseline of what they
want to use them for, teachers who use them for educational purposes
(their schools have it and their students use them and they have
programs for them, etc), and for graphics people (and others of
course).

I guess it is just every profession has their pet peeve of things they
hear and since I work in the PC industry, and have in one aspect or
another for years, this is my pet peeve.

So, sorry for the long diatribe, and this wasn't meant as a personal
attack, but, I do tire of hearing people say they have all these
problems and seemingly attribute it to the wrong spot (if the scanner
has problems, it isn't a windows problem and you would likely have
problems with the same scanner on a mac or linux machine).

If the scanner came with the compaq, or even if it didn't, and you are
having such problems, why not call tech support (yeah, I know hold
times can suck, but, that is what i use a speakerphone for so I
can do things while waiting for them).



Ron




On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:11:47 GMT, "Linda"
wrote:

Well, the scanner croaked yet again. It's a compaq, with the program
that
comes with it and it is REALLY ticking me off. It has been almost worse
than useless the past two days and I reinstalled it FOUR times today,
after
having to deal with the Winbloze failure to "remove it" with the remove
programs function, and manually having to find every freaking thing
connected to it and edit the register. Grr. I will reboot and try now
to
scan it.

Do not buy compaq. Do not buy windows. going to Mac or Linux or Unix
or
ANYTHING else first $$$$$ megabucks I get for a new computer ....
"Larry Louks" wrote in message
. net...
Linda wrote:
Really? Front AND back? Dang. It's so pretty and weird.

Hey there, Linda. If you can round up a picture of that little beauty,
please post it so that we can enjoy it along with you.

-=LDL

The funny thing is you are partially right on what you say.
But, it is very different from how you initially posted and the
wording you used...you were blaming the scanner...then the
software....then the OS.
You are all over the map with your blame.
And, there is only 1 or two people on here that may read this (if they
haven't killfiled you already) who would know just how funny, and
arrogant and stupid, your comments to me area.....
I think I do know a "little" about windows and the software under it.
I think I know more about the BSOD (bluescreen of death) than you do.
I have been a tech for IT departments for more than a few years
before....I am still in the PC business.
I actually tried to be helpful by listening to what you said and
suggesting you call the scanner company, etc.
You don't seem to want help.
You want to bitch.

Like someone else mentioned, you seem to have jumped from a PC novice
(that is how I took it you presented yourself here over the last week
or so) to someone who seems to fully HATE windows and is so computer
literate that you can school others with your posting.
So, having been a hardware tech, and having been a software tech, I
still stand by what I said. You don't like hearing it because your
mind is made up (and, my opinion was based on what you had said....not
by anything else).

I would love to see a post from you after you go to linux...you sound
so cocksure of yourself, so, it wouldn't scare you in the least, and
you could probably write your own hardware drivers for your equipment
too, right? Go for it.

Ron

As always, the opinions I post are mine and mine alone (at least, I
don't want to speak for anyone else....they are free to feel the same
way I do or differently.




On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:44:21 GMT, "Linda"
wrote:

Anyone running Winbloze for any appreciable amount of time, or the bloated
software running under it, has likely experienced the same amazing
phenomenon and that you think it was a "hardware problem" as a first choice
exhibits an astonishing unfamiliarity with the extremely common issues in
the Winbloze operating system and software running under it.

One common problem can be caused by a bug in the underlying program itself,
which causes the program to go into an endless loop, using up all the CPU
time, and for the end user, creating what appears to be a "freeze."

And surely you're familiar with Bill Gates infamous' "blue screen of death"
presentation? If not, here ya' go:
http://alt.venus.co.uk/weed/humour/gates30.htm

Another problem is a common memory error generally seen with consumer
versions of Windows (95/98/98SE/ME) because of their lack of protected
memory. These operating systems share memory, and it is possible that a
memory location where any given program has stored some of its data gets
overwritten, either by another program or by Winblows itself (such a
wonderful program, that Winbloze). Often, rebooting the system will fix this
problem, but it is also possible for data to be written directly over
program code, corrupting the program and requiring reinstallation, as many
Mac/Linus/*nix users and future users who formerly used Winbloze have
discovered.

Another common issue with Windows is a corrupted registry, thanks to
Winblows hella bad "install/de-install" that rarely, if ever works properly,
leaving crap in the registry and all over the hard-drive, and, as with the
above para, writing over itself on its own.

If you need a short course on just how bad it is, read a few of these:

http://www.windowscrash.com/

http://www.ihl.state.ms.us/cts/__Hel...ws_Crsshes.pdf

http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2003/04/24.1.shtml

http://rss.com.com/2110-1041_3-10009...feed&subj=news

http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/tec070801.html

http://www.rosecitysoftware.com/Reg1...1aid-corp.html

http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win95/n1026694638


"Ron" wrote in message
.. .
Not meaning to pick on Linda, but I do have to comment on this...

ROTFLMAO.


Having worked (tech support, sales, development, etc) with computers
for 14+ years, I am still amazed by the way people lay blame.

The scanner croaked (ok...sounds like it is a hardware problem....it
doesn't turn on?).
I doubt it was a Compaq scanner (maybe their name was on it, but it
was made by some other company that compaq buys it from).

So, back to the point.....if the scanner "croaked", then it is a
hardware problem and won't be fixed by messing with the software.

Now, I will agree...most of the software that comes with preloaded
machines sucks....it really does (I have been building my own machines
since the mid 1980's and I really dislike troubleshooting, or even
using, preloaded software). Imaging software that comes with the
scanners and PCs generally sucks too.

But, why blame the software if the scanner "croaked"?

Why blame windows if the software that came with the computer/scanner
is at fault?

What version of windows are you using anyway? Newest and greatest?
Old and wobegone?

The sad thing about windows and software/hardware is that it works
best with things that have been out for a little bit of time but not
too long (so, using 3 year old hardware/software after a newer version
of windows has come out may have issues....sad, but true). Same thing
with older versions of windows and new hardware/software. It may not
be supported on the older versions.

If the software was written well, it would have its own uninstaller
program that would completely remove it. But, cheap software doesn't
always do this well (you get what you pay for....and the hardware
makers aren't well known for spending money on good software to be
included for you).

Now, getting upset at windows (which runs on the VAST majority of PCs
and which is developed for by the vast majority of developers and
hardware makers) and running to linux...that has some support but is
still in the realms of PC literates and people who want to
tweak......well, i saw the issues you had with HTML posting.....best
wishes to you if you go that route before you become more computer
literate (and, that is not meant as a slam....just meant as what it
sounds like...best wishes if you go that route).

Going to a Mac.....well, that may be best for you. I haven't used one
in years and years (I didn't do graphics and they didn't allow me to
change hardware as much as I wanted and they were MUCH more
expensive)....but, I did sell them a few years back. They are good or
certain types of people....those that use them because their work
does, those that just like them, those that don't want to learn
anything about their computers other than the baseline of what they
want to use them for, teachers who use them for educational purposes
(their schools have it and their students use them and they have
programs for them, etc), and for graphics people (and others of
course).

I guess it is just every profession has their pet peeve of things they
hear and since I work in the PC industry, and have in one aspect or
another for years, this is my pet peeve.

So, sorry for the long diatribe, and this wasn't meant as a personal
attack, but, I do tire of hearing people say they have all these
problems and seemingly attribute it to the wrong spot (if the scanner
has problems, it isn't a windows problem and you would likely have
problems with the same scanner on a mac or linux machine).

If the scanner came with the compaq, or even if it didn't, and you are
having such problems, why not call tech support (yeah, I know hold
times can suck, but, that is what i use a speakerphone for so I
can do things while waiting for them).



Ron




On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:11:47 GMT, "Linda"
wrote:

Well, the scanner croaked yet again. It's a compaq, with the program
that
comes with it and it is REALLY ticking me off. It has been almost worse
than useless the past two days and I reinstalled it FOUR times today,
after
having to deal with the Winbloze failure to "remove it" with the remove
programs function, and manually having to find every freaking thing
connected to it and edit the register. Grr. I will reboot and try now
to
scan it.

Do not buy compaq. Do not buy windows. going to Mac or Linux or Unix
or
ANYTHING else first $$$$$ megabucks I get for a new computer ....
"Larry Louks" wrote in message
. net...
Linda wrote:
Really? Front AND back? Dang. It's so pretty and weird.

Hey there, Linda. If you can round up a picture of that little beauty,
please post it so that we can enjoy it along with you.

-=LDL

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:44:21 GMT, "Linda" wrote:

Anyone running Winbloze for any appreciable amount of time, or the bloated
software running under it, has likely experienced the same amazing
phenomenon and that you think it was a "hardware problem" as a first choice
exhibits an astonishing unfamiliarity with the extremely common issues in
the Winbloze operating system and software running under it.

One common problem can be caused by a bug in the underlying program itself,
which causes the program to go into an endless loop, using up all the CPU
time, and for the end user, creating what appears to be a "freeze."

And surely you're familiar with Bill Gates infamous' "blue screen of death"
presentation? If not, here ya' go:
http://alt.venus.co.uk/weed/humour/gates30.htm

Another problem is a common memory error generally seen with consumer
versions of Windows (95/98/98SE/ME) because of their lack of protected
memory. These operating systems share memory, and it is possible that a
memory location where any given program has stored some of its data gets
overwritten, either by another program or by Winblows itself (such a
wonderful program, that Winbloze). Often, rebooting the system will fix this
problem, but it is also possible for data to be written directly over
program code, corrupting the program and requiring reinstallation, as many
Mac/Linus/*nix users and future users who formerly used Winbloze have
discovered.

Another common issue with Windows is a corrupted registry, thanks to
Winblows hella bad "install/de-install" that rarely, if ever works properly,
leaving crap in the registry and all over the hard-drive, and, as with the
above para, writing over itself on its own.

If you need a short course on just how bad it is, read a few of these:

http://www.windowscrash.com/

http://www.ihl.state.ms.us/cts/__Hel...ws_Crsshes.pdf

http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2003/04/24.1.shtml

http://rss.com.com/2110-1041_3-10009...feed&subj=news

http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/tec070801.html

http://www.rosecitysoftware.com/Reg1...1aid-corp.html

http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/win95/n1026694638

Man o' man, where do I begin?

You are seriously misinformed, and it shows with your rants about a subject you know little
about, but take the word of Windows haters everywhere.

The truth of the matter is, at least where Windows98 and later editions are concerned, they
are very stable if left alone and not messed with. Most of the problems my better half and
others have had have not been the operating system, but rather all the junk they download
off the net and install, for a variety of reasons such as supposedly making you able to surf
the net faster, be more secure, etc. etc. These people also tend to be the ones who buy their
PCs ready built, and a lot of these, even name brands, use a variety of cheap components,
most notably the memory. It has been my experience that most people who suffer from regular
crashes are using substandard, inferior generic memory. You would be amazed at how stable
Windows is with Micron memory. I am still on Windows 98 (for maybe another three or four days)
and I might have a crash once every two weeks at most, and usually when I have several tasks
running at the same time.

Seeing as how it took you a couple of weeks to figure out how to post here in plain text, I would
strongly advise you to leave Linux to the techies.
--
K6AZ WEB PAGES

http://www.k6az.com/web_pages.htm

On 07 Aug 2003 20:45:36 GMT, ulsion (Phil
DeMayo) wrote:

"Linda" seems surprised:

Really? Front AND back? Dang. It's so pretty and weird.

It's pretty hard for an off center strike to occur on only one side of a coin
;-)

Well, there are misaligned die strikes.


--
Ed. Stoebenau
a #143