Help With Portuguese Colonies

I am trying to make some album pages for the Ceres issues of the
various Portuguese colonies. Scott mentions there are different
perforations (e.g. 15 x 14, 12 x 11.5) for these issues, but does not
identify the individual stamps for each perforation. I know the Michel
catalog identifies these issues and I am sure Afinsa does as well, but
my local library does not have these catalogs. Would anyone be able to
supply me with a listing (scanned pages or Excel sheets) for each
colony? I was going to make the pages to supplement William Steiner's
pages from Stampalbums.com. I can forward the finished product if you
can help me.
Thanks
Dave

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:29:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:

I am trying to make some album pages for the Ceres issues of the
various Portuguese colonies. Scott mentions there are different
perforations (e.g. 15 x 14, 12 x 11.5) for these issues, but does not
identify the individual stamps for each perforation. I know the Michel
catalog identifies these issues and I am sure Afinsa does as well, but
my local library does not have these catalogs. Would anyone be able to
supply me with a listing (scanned pages or Excel sheets) for each
colony? I was going to make the pages to supplement William Steiner's
pages from Stampalbums.com. I can forward the finished product if you
can help me.

This is a HUGE task. Between Afinsa, Simoes and the ISPP offered
books, you may be in for a heck of a ride with the Ceres set.

You can probably pick up an Afinsa fairly easily and the ISPP
offerings are sometimes available from the society itself, but the
Simoes catalog has been out of print for decades. I was fortunate to
get a heavily used copy from a fellow in Portugal. It has helped me
out a lot.

"Selos Ceres de Portugal" by Mota / Veira is the closest to the home
country varieties.

Here's some issues with the "sets":

1) Perforation, as you know it. OK, good start.
2) Paper type - yoiks! The plot thickens.
3) Error / printing varieties. The muck and mire set in.
4) The overprints. 6 feet under now...
5) Not enough time in a day / lifetime to do it!

hehehehehehe... On a serious side, now. The Portuguese and local
administrations were NOTORIOUS for their creating varieties upon
varieties, whether on purpose or out of necessity.

Not all face values have counterparts with different perfs, paper,
print, etc. so it's a turkey shoot as to how to set up the pages.

One way *** may *** be is to have the face value and illustration as
the first item on the page, then create plenty of extra blank boxes
for the variations - each with a line above or below it, so the
collector could write in the various variety. This, of course, is the
brute force method.

Other than that, you will spend an inordinate amount of time
researching the many differences and a lot less time playing with /
looking at the stamps themselves.

Just a thought, is all...

I agree with Tracy - this is a HUGE task. For basic
information on papers and perfs (and that's all I'm
interested in) I find the Afinsa catalogs to be perfect.

Fortunately APRL has the Afinsa catalogs available for
loan. You will need both the Portugal-Azores-Madiera-
Macao vaolume and the Ex-Colonies volume.

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:29:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:

I am trying to make some album pages for the Ceres issues of the
various Portuguese colonies. Scott mentions there are different
perforations (e.g. 15 x 14, 12 x 11.5) for these issues, but does not
identify the individual stamps for each perforation. I know the Michel
catalog identifies these issues and I am sure Afinsa does as well, but
my local library does not have these catalogs. Would anyone be able to
supply me with a listing (scanned pages or Excel sheets) for each
colony? I was going to make the pages to supplement William Steiner's
pages from Stampalbums.com. I can forward the finished product if you
can help me.

This is a HUGE task. Between Afinsa, Simoes and the ISPP offered
books, you may be in for a heck of a ride with the Ceres set.

You can probably pick up an Afinsa fairly easily and the ISPP
offerings are sometimes available from the society itself, but the
Simoes catalog has been out of print for decades. I was fortunate to
get a heavily used copy from a fellow in Portugal. It has helped me
out a lot.

"Selos Ceres de Portugal" by Mota / Veira is the closest to the home
country varieties.

Here's some issues with the "sets":

1) Perforation, as you know it. OK, good start.
2) Paper type - yoiks! The plot thickens.
3) Error / printing varieties. The muck and mire set in.
4) The overprints. 6 feet under now...
5) Not enough time in a day / lifetime to do it!

hehehehehehe... On a serious side, now. The Portuguese and local
administrations were NOTORIOUS for their creating varieties upon
varieties, whether on purpose or out of necessity.

Not all face values have counterparts with different perfs, paper,
print, etc. so it's a turkey shoot as to how to set up the pages.

One way *** may *** be is to have the face value and illustration as
the first item on the page, then create plenty of extra blank boxes
for the variations - each with a line above or below it, so the
collector could write in the various variety. This, of course, is the
brute force method.

Other than that, you will spend an inordinate amount of time
researching the many differences and a lot less time playing with /
looking at the stamps themselves.

Just a thought, is all...

On Feb 12, 12:41*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:29:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
I am trying to make some album pages for the Ceres issues of the
various Portuguese colonies. Scott mentions there are different
perforations (e.g. 15 x 14, 12 x 11.5) for these issues, but does not
identify the individual stamps for each perforation. I know the Michel
catalog identifies these issues and I am sure Afinsa does as well, but
my local library does not have these catalogs. Would anyone be able to
supply me with a listing (scanned pages or Excel sheets) for each
colony? I was going to make the pages to supplement William Steiner's
pages from Stampalbums.com. I can forward the finished product if you
can help me.

This is a HUGE task. *Between Afinsa, Simoes and the ISPP offered
books, you may be in for a heck of a ride with the Ceres set.

You can probably pick up an Afinsa fairly easily and the ISPP
offerings are sometimes available from the society itself, but the
Simoes catalog has been out of print for decades. *I was fortunate to
get a heavily used copy from a fellow in Portugal. *It has helped me
out a lot.

"Selos Ceres de Portugal" by Mota / Veira is the closest to the home
country varieties.

Here's some issues with the "sets":

1) Perforation, as you know it. *OK, good start.
2) Paper type - yoiks! *The plot thickens.
3) Error / printing varieties. *The muck and mire set in.
4) The overprints. *6 feet under now...
5) Not enough time in a day / lifetime to do it!

hehehehehehe... *On a serious side, now. *The Portuguese and local
administrations were NOTORIOUS for their creating varieties upon
varieties, whether on purpose or out of necessity.

Not all face values have counterparts with different perfs, paper,
print, etc. so it's a turkey shoot as to how to set up the pages.

One way *** may *** be is to have the face value and illustration as
the first item on the page, then create plenty of extra blank boxes
for the variations - each with a line above or below it, so the
collector could write in the various variety. *This, of course, is the
brute force method.

Other than that, you will spend an inordinate amount of time
researching the many differences and a lot less time playing with /
looking at the stamps themselves.

Just a thought, is all...

Hey you didn't mention the positions of the stars...

Anyway, I decided to go halfway between what Michel and Scott offer -
go with the perfs not listed (but mentioned in the set header) in
Scott, but skip the Michel Paper varieties. I was able to knock off
Azores this way, but my friend with the Western Europe Michel moved
away. For some reason, Scott footnotes the Angola Ceres issue with a
list of which values have which perfs, but doesn't do this for any of
the other colonies. So, I have Angola and Azores done, just looking
for the rest. A few colonies don't have perf varieties.

I was going to create a pdf and send it to Bill, if he wanted to list
the pages under Portugal, for any users that want them.

Finally, I just started mounting my Mozambique Company collection and
noticed that the early issues to the 1930's ALL have perforation
varieites, so I suppose I'll seek them out too. Grumble grumble..

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:56:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 12, 12:41*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:29:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
I am trying to make some album pages for the Ceres issues of the
various Portuguese colonies. Scott mentions there are different
perforations (e.g. 15 x 14, 12 x 11.5) for these issues, but does not
identify the individual stamps for each perforation. I know the Michel
catalog identifies these issues and I am sure Afinsa does as well, but
my local library does not have these catalogs. Would anyone be able to
supply me with a listing (scanned pages or Excel sheets) for each
colony? I was going to make the pages to supplement William Steiner's
pages from Stampalbums.com. I can forward the finished product if you
can help me.

This is a HUGE task. *Between Afinsa, Simoes and the ISPP offered
books, you may be in for a heck of a ride with the Ceres set.

You can probably pick up an Afinsa fairly easily and the ISPP
offerings are sometimes available from the society itself, but the
Simoes catalog has been out of print for decades. *I was fortunate to
get a heavily used copy from a fellow in Portugal. *It has helped me
out a lot.

"Selos Ceres de Portugal" by Mota / Veira is the closest to the home
country varieties.

Here's some issues with the "sets":

1) Perforation, as you know it. *OK, good start.
2) Paper type - yoiks! *The plot thickens.
3) Error / printing varieties. *The muck and mire set in.
4) The overprints. *6 feet under now...
5) Not enough time in a day / lifetime to do it!

hehehehehehe... *On a serious side, now. *The Portuguese and local
administrations were NOTORIOUS for their creating varieties upon
varieties, whether on purpose or out of necessity.

Not all face values have counterparts with different perfs, paper,
print, etc. so it's a turkey shoot as to how to set up the pages.

One way *** may *** be is to have the face value and illustration as
the first item on the page, then create plenty of extra blank boxes
for the variations - each with a line above or below it, so the
collector could write in the various variety. *This, of course, is the
brute force method.

Other than that, you will spend an inordinate amount of time
researching the many differences and a lot less time playing with /
looking at the stamps themselves.

Just a thought, is all...

Hey you didn't mention the positions of the stars...

Oops... It would have come to me over a few more minutes of posting,
but I sit corrected!

Further, what about the forgeries? hmmm?

Anyway, I decided to go halfway between what Michel and Scott offer -
go with the perfs not listed (but mentioned in the set header) in
Scott, but skip the Michel Paper varieties. I was able to knock off
Azores this way, but my friend with the Western Europe Michel moved
away. For some reason, Scott footnotes the Angola Ceres issue with a
list of which values have which perfs, but doesn't do this for any of
the other colonies. So, I have Angola and Azores done, just looking
for the rest. A few colonies don't have perf varieties.

Quite possibly the Mozambique provinces? Tete, Quelimane, etc?

I was going to create a pdf and send it to Bill, if he wanted to list
the pages under Portugal, for any users that want them.

That's always a good idea. He has done a LOT of work to help the
hobby.

Finally, I just started mounting my Mozambique Company collection and
noticed that the early issues to the 1930's ALL have perforation
varieites, so I suppose I'll seek them out too. Grumble grumble..

Heh! That's what one gets when digging into Portuguese colonies.

On Feb 13, 12:48*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:56:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Feb 12, 12:41*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:29:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
I am trying to make some album pages for the Ceres issues of the
various Portuguese colonies. Scott mentions there are different
perforations (e.g. 15 x 14, 12 x 11.5) for these issues, but does not
identify the individual stamps for each perforation. I know the Michel
catalog identifies these issues and I am sure Afinsa does as well, but
my local library does not have these catalogs. Would anyone be able to
supply me with a listing (scanned pages or Excel sheets) for each
colony? I was going to make the pages to supplement William Steiner's
pages from Stampalbums.com. I can forward the finished product if you
can help me.

This is a HUGE task. *Between Afinsa, Simoes and the ISPP offered
books, you may be in for a heck of a ride with the Ceres set.

You can probably pick up an Afinsa fairly easily and the ISPP
offerings are sometimes available from the society itself, but the
Simoes catalog has been out of print for decades. *I was fortunate to
get a heavily used copy from a fellow in Portugal. *It has helped me
out a lot.

"Selos Ceres de Portugal" by Mota / Veira is the closest to the home
country varieties.

Here's some issues with the "sets":

1) Perforation, as you know it. *OK, good start.
2) Paper type - yoiks! *The plot thickens.
3) Error / printing varieties. *The muck and mire set in.
4) The overprints. *6 feet under now...
5) Not enough time in a day / lifetime to do it!

hehehehehehe... *On a serious side, now. *The Portuguese and local
administrations were NOTORIOUS for their creating varieties upon
varieties, whether on purpose or out of necessity.

Not all face values have counterparts with different perfs, paper,
print, etc. so it's a turkey shoot as to how to set up the pages.

One way *** may *** be is to have the face value and illustration as
the first item on the page, then create plenty of extra blank boxes
for the variations - each with a line above or below it, so the
collector could write in the various variety. *This, of course, is the
brute force method.

Other than that, you will spend an inordinate amount of time
researching the many differences and a lot less time playing with /
looking at the stamps themselves.

Just a thought, is all...

Hey you didn't mention the positions of the stars...

Oops... *It would have come to me over a few more minutes of posting,
but I sit corrected!

Further, what about the forgeries? *hmmm?

Anyway, I decided to go halfway between what Michel and Scott offer -
go with the perfs not listed (but mentioned in the set header) in
Scott, but skip the Michel Paper varieties. I was able to knock off
Azores this way, but my friend with the Western Europe Michel moved
away. For some reason, Scott footnotes the Angola Ceres issue with a
list of which values have which perfs, but doesn't do this for any of
the other colonies. So, I have Angola and Azores done, just looking
for the rest. A few colonies don't have perf varieties.

Quite possibly the Mozambique provinces? *Tete, Quelimane, etc?

I was going to create a pdf and send it to Bill, if he wanted to list
the pages under Portugal, for any users that want them.

That's always a good idea. *He has done a LOT of work to help the
hobby.

Finally, I just started mounting my Mozambique Company collection and
noticed that the early issues to the 1930's ALL have perforation
varieites, so I suppose I'll seek them out too. Grumble grumble..

Heh! *That's what one gets when digging into Portuguese colonies.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I can blame you a bit for this, Tracy. About 10 years ago I was
complaining about the quality of a P Colonies packet and you,
unsolicited, sent me a very nice selection of Nyassa and Lourenço
Marques stamps. Been trying to "pay it forward" ever since...

Dave

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:27:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 13, 12:48*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:56:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Feb 12, 12:41*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:29:58 -0800 (PST), wrote:
I am trying to make some album pages for the Ceres issues of the
various Portuguese colonies. Scott mentions there are different
perforations (e.g. 15 x 14, 12 x 11.5) for these issues, but does not
identify the individual stamps for each perforation. I know the Michel
catalog identifies these issues and I am sure Afinsa does as well, but
my local library does not have these catalogs. Would anyone be able to
supply me with a listing (scanned pages or Excel sheets) for each
colony? I was going to make the pages to supplement William Steiner's
pages from Stampalbums.com. I can forward the finished product if you
can help me.

This is a HUGE task. *Between Afinsa, Simoes and the ISPP offered
books, you may be in for a heck of a ride with the Ceres set.

You can probably pick up an Afinsa fairly easily and the ISPP
offerings are sometimes available from the society itself, but the
Simoes catalog has been out of print for decades. *I was fortunate to
get a heavily used copy from a fellow in Portugal. *It has helped me
out a lot.

"Selos Ceres de Portugal" by Mota / Veira is the closest to the home
country varieties.

Here's some issues with the "sets":

1) Perforation, as you know it. *OK, good start.
2) Paper type - yoiks! *The plot thickens.
3) Error / printing varieties. *The muck and mire set in.
4) The overprints. *6 feet under now...
5) Not enough time in a day / lifetime to do it!

hehehehehehe... *On a serious side, now. *The Portuguese and local
administrations were NOTORIOUS for their creating varieties upon
varieties, whether on purpose or out of necessity.

Not all face values have counterparts with different perfs, paper,
print, etc. so it's a turkey shoot as to how to set up the pages.

One way *** may *** be is to have the face value and illustration as
the first item on the page, then create plenty of extra blank boxes
for the variations - each with a line above or below it, so the
collector could write in the various variety. *This, of course, is the
brute force method.

Other than that, you will spend an inordinate amount of time
researching the many differences and a lot less time playing with /
looking at the stamps themselves.

Just a thought, is all...

Hey you didn't mention the positions of the stars...

Oops... *It would have come to me over a few more minutes of posting,
but I sit corrected!

Further, what about the forgeries? *hmmm?

Anyway, I decided to go halfway between what Michel and Scott offer -
go with the perfs not listed (but mentioned in the set header) in
Scott, but skip the Michel Paper varieties. I was able to knock off
Azores this way, but my friend with the Western Europe Michel moved
away. For some reason, Scott footnotes the Angola Ceres issue with a
list of which values have which perfs, but doesn't do this for any of
the other colonies. So, I have Angola and Azores done, just looking
for the rest. A few colonies don't have perf varieties.

Quite possibly the Mozambique provinces? *Tete, Quelimane, etc?

I was going to create a pdf and send it to Bill, if he wanted to list
the pages under Portugal, for any users that want them.

That's always a good idea. *He has done a LOT of work to help the
hobby.

Finally, I just started mounting my Mozambique Company collection and
noticed that the early issues to the 1930's ALL have perforation
varieites, so I suppose I'll seek them out too. Grumble grumble..

Heh! *That's what one gets when digging into Portuguese colonies.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I can blame you a bit for this, Tracy. About 10 years ago I was
complaining about the quality of a P Colonies packet and you,
unsolicited, sent me a very nice selection of Nyassa and Lourenço
Marques stamps. Been trying to "pay it forward" ever since...

Ggggggggggrrrrrrrr... payback's a beach and then you swim!

[ psst - thanks for the plug! ]