Q for barefoot

Regardless, when he does pass, all of those people that have $300-$600
Fords are all going to do the greed thing all at once and try to
unload their autographs all at once. The market will be flooded and
you won't even be able to see yours at that price, as would be my
guess. Then again, this could be a good thing for the true
collectors. It would cause the value to drop and maybe we would be
able to acquire a legit one at a working man's pay scale. :-)

On the other note, anybody that truly respects Hollywood history will
remember actors like Olivier. They broke the ground for today's flash
in the pans make their millions in. ;-)

--


Mike
Gummby3
-= Star Collector =-
www.star-collector.net
Celebrity addresses the way they should be - free.


"barefoot" wrote in message
...
trust me, if i wanted to sell my fords for $300 ea...all i have to
do
is let the word out and they are GONE!...it wouldn't even take me a
week...
he's a strong name to have...as long as i'm under the official pix
price, or it's a combo item...it's sold yesterday...
he is the strongest name in the celebrity hobby who holds his
value...problem is, there are a lot of forgeries...people have to
seek
out folks like me who have the real thing...and they will pay. but
there's not a lot of stuff out there...

all i know is this...i had ford on a 16x20 combo with paul blake
(greedo) and it needed blake at the star wars convention in l.a....i
got more than one offer of $400 for it. paul blake even wanted it.

he will hold his value...no one knows who sir lawrence olivier is.
and
after my father's generation passes, absolutely no one will...star
wars and indiana jones are passed through generations...they are 3
generations strong now, olivier made it through one.. (oh, and i do
know who he is, he was zeus in clash of the titans).
m

On May 5, 3:04�pm, "Gummby3" wrote:
They won't be ABLE to resell them, if they ever decide to, without
taking a large loss on their initial payment. �I like Harrison and
most of his movies, but I don't think that he'll be remembered in
Hollywood history, value-wise, like old Hollywood culture symbols
Charlie Chaplin, Sir Laurence Olivier and Katharine Hepburn or pop
culture symbols like Elvis, Marilyn Monroe and James Dean. �These
dealers are trying to get value off of Ford that a lot of the above
did not get until after they made a dent in the entertainment world
AND died. �When, God forbid, Ford does pass, then there are going to
be a lot of people trying to dump his signature on Ebay, or one of
it's clones, and it's going to look like an LA traffic jam at 5
o'clock rush hour with no buyers. �Why? �Because everyone is going to
try and get what they initially paid for the autograph back plus a
profit. �This traffic jam will be both hilarious and sad at the same
time to see happen.

--

Mike
Gummby3
-= Star Collector =-www.star-collector.net
Celebrity addresses the way they should be - free.

"Sue H" wrote in message

...



Do you keep all your Harrisons? �What price are you charging for
them
if you are selling them? �Just curious. �His graph is over-inflated
at
the moment for no apparent reason and it seems to me that these
people
will never be able to offload their items at the prices they are
paying.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

hi mike - I agree harrison ford signature is over priced and will not
hold value like the hollywood greats. btw, i'm looking for judy
holliday and janis joplin signatures for 2 studies I'm working on. as
well, I purchase ted (theodore) kaczynski signed pieces. please leave
inquiries here and I will contact. Sharon

On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:33:18 -0700 (PDT), barefoot
wrote:

trust me, if i wanted to sell my fords for $300 ea...all i have to do
is let the word out and they are GONE!...it wouldn't even take me a
week...
he's a strong name to have...as long as i'm under the official pix
price, or it's a combo item...it's sold yesterday...

You got a point. I know someone trying for the 250 range (signing)
and if is a go, I am in. that's my limit on him. He would then be my
highest priced single graph (not in value, but what I paid; I've paid
small money for things or no money for things worth 2-4 times as more
value);. Followed by Peter Cushing.

he is the strongest name in the celebrity hobby who holds his
value...problem is, there are a lot of forgeries...people have to seek
out folks like me who have the real thing...and they will pay. but
there's not a lot of stuff out there...

There's a LOT of stuff out there though; it's not that. It's telling
the real stuff from the crap as forgers are getting a little better at
forging that particular signature.

all i know is this...i had ford on a 16x20 combo with paul blake
(greedo) and it needed blake at the star wars convention in l.a....i
got more than one offer of $400 for it. paul blake even wanted it.

Very specific for the Star Wars collectors though and some will pay
it. In the future though, the price is probably uncertain. right now,
it's good scene though from a great film and one of the signatures is
ford so you can get that. Future though... many don't know who Paul
Blake is. He's not rare either (he's done quite a few cons) but he's
not around a whole lot these days..

he will hold his value...no one knows who sir lawrence olivier is. and
after my father's generation passes, absolutely no one will...star
wars and indiana jones are passed through generations...they are 3
generations strong now, olivier made it through one.. (oh, and i do
know who he is, he was zeus in clash of the titans).

I hate to say it, but barefoot has a point. As generations die, the
stars of today do one of two things... each generation they will
either become has-beens or highly regarded celebs. So for Ford's
generation, there's NOT a whole lot of people of that stature so I too
feel he'll maintain some value. with that said, it's WAY different
now than in Marilyn Monroe or Charlie Chaplain's time. Paparzzi and
autograph seekers weren't a business per se and the celebs weren't as
assessible. Therefore, there were less from the past and the mystery
nature of the celeb brings prices up while today, the trend is "who
is hot now" commands top dollar then will fizzle to nothing (probably
has been in the future). Ford is on that line; he'll probably secure
his stature with this indy film and if he can do ONE more solid
award-winning type thing (more substance), he's a shoe-in. If not, he
COULD drop to has been. I personally think though, he'll be one of
the top in his generation of actors and he'll always command a price,
but I don't think that'll rise till many years from now when we are
old and probably dead. So for those buying 400-500 dollar items now;
good luck with your wishful thinking!
m

On Mon, 5 May 2008 15:11:21 -0500, "Gummby3"
wrote:

Regardless, when he does pass, all of those people that have $300-$600
Fords are all going to do the greed thing all at once and try to
unload their autographs all at once. The market will be flooded and
you won't even be able to see yours at that price, as would be my
guess. Then again, this could be a good thing for the true
collectors. It would cause the value to drop and maybe we would be
able to acquire a legit one at a working man's pay scale. :-)

The market will be flooded and people are in money crisis so will buy
the cheap forgeries and try to resell them as legit... the forged
items keep going back into circulation. As people peruse Ebay and see
..99-999.00 for him, they are probably going to buy stuff in the 20-50
dollar range thinking they got a real deal because they didn't buy the
99 cent stuff. You know this is true. But then again, you could have
a 999.00 forgery there too. So best bet is to educate yourself.

On the other note, anybody that truly respects Hollywood history will
remember actors like Olivier. They broke the ground for today's flash
in the pans make their millions in. ;-)

3) blade runner poster


nnniiiiiiccceeeeeee

"barefoot" wrote in message
...
good luck..last premiere here (that cop movie with josh hartnett,
hollywood homicide, he came over to the crowd and signed 3 different
times.
we don't get a premiere for that movie in los angeles.
m

He signed up a storm last time he was here, but unfortunately i did not go,
so have to make up for it this time.

you say that people won't be able to re sell them...but to be
honest...i don't think that people buying the autographs for$300 or so
are intending to sell them...yes, you are right, it's probably the top
of the market to sell any living person's autograph for $300+. but i'm
gonna say this. it's tough out there. and it's not worth the time to
sell it for less. i tried to sell a ford, for $75 on ebay, like 4
years ago. but it got no bids. but there were at least 5, for under
$30 and they all got bids. and none of those were real.

you could be right, obvious there are fewer lawrence olivier's...much
fewer. but i think you are wrong in thinking that people who love old
hollywood will always care. i think when generations die down, people
stop caring. out of sight, out of mind. and as hollywood keeps making
remakes of movies, people will care even less. Charlton heston doesn't
sell. he didn't sell before he passed, and doesn't sell after. even if
you factor out the ebay's "hot now" scenario, old, deceased actors
don't matter to a lot of people unless they are coinsiderably older. a
20 year old doesn't walk into an autograph store and get excited by a
lawrence olivier, but they will buy the cast photo signed by the
kardashian sisters for $100. or, in my case, at frank n sons, i sold a
STACK of kat von d autographs for $50 a piece, but my kirk douglas
just sits there and no one asks about him. same price. so using that
logic, i'd say that once the people 50 and older start to pass on, the
legacy of olivier(and others like him) will fade into oblivion.
m

On Tue, 6 May 2008 03:00:08 -0700 (PDT), barefoot
wrote:

you say that people won't be able to re sell them...but to be
honest...i don't think that people buying the autographs for$300 or so
are intending to sell them...yes, you are right, it's probably the top
of the market to sell any living person's autograph for $300+. but i'm
gonna say this. it's tough out there. and it's not worth the time to
sell it for less. i tried to sell a ford, for $75 on ebay, like 4
years ago. but it got no bids. but there were at least 5, for under
$30 and they all got bids. and none of those were real.

you could be right, obvious there are fewer lawrence olivier's...much
fewer. but i think you are wrong in thinking that people who love old
hollywood will always care. i think when generations die down, people
stop caring. out of sight, out of mind. and as hollywood keeps making
remakes of movies, people will care even less.

That's true to some extent and very sad when you think about it. We
were talking about this this past weekend with rock Stars. We'd gone
to Van Halen and were discussing how many groups like that NOW could
be potentially touring in 20-30 years still. We felt like probably
less than 1/10th of the bands from the 60s-80's. Nothing from the
90's or 2000's really seems to be quality enough to stick. You might
see Mirah or something, but really do you see any bands from the 90's
really still huge? Same with actors. The quality has gone way down.
Rare good acting is around and even those with some talent, say a Tom
Cruise, become pop culture fodder and it usurps their talent, so they
don't make it into the fold of classic. Those like Britney who you'd
think could be one of the ones to keep touring at an older age (like
say Madonna), most likely will NOT ever come back. The culture and
crap surrounding them becomes bigger than themselves. it's a shame.

Charlton heston doesn't
sell. he didn't sell before he passed, and doesn't sell after. even if
you factor out the ebay's "hot now" scenario, old, deceased actors
don't matter to a lot of people unless they are coinsiderably older. a
20 year old doesn't walk into an autograph store and get excited by a
lawrence olivier, but they will buy the cast photo signed by the
kardashian sisters for $100. or, in my case, at frank n sons, i sold a
STACK of kat von d autographs for $50 a piece, but my kirk douglas
just sits there and no one asks about him. same price. so using that
logic, i'd say that once the people 50 and older start to pass on, the
legacy of olivier(and others like him) will fade into oblivion.
m

I would say Charlton Heston sells and will continue to sell on the
right items. The problem with him is the sheer amount of stuff out
there. He doesn't need to be forged (though I've seen it which shows
you how stupid and lazy some forgers are) because he signs everything
for anyone, anytime in any place. The Kardashian sisters etc are
crap; they'll be popular another year or so and then struggle because
they have NO talent and will become Paris or Britney; trying to hold
to a fame that will be taken over by new blood. So sell them now
because it's my guess they'll be the Joey Lawrences, Scott Baios, and
Punky Brewsters of the near future.

We could both be right. I'm honestly the exact opposite of your
clients. I consider a good portion of the "hot" people now to be
flash in the pans that will fall from people's minds quicker than what
the Jehovah's Witness just rattled on at their front door. I am only
38, supposedly on the fringes of the clients that buy the Kat Von Ds,
the Kardashian and whoever. Honestly, I would right have Bruce
Jenner's (the Kardashian step-father) autograph as he actually
contributed something to BE famous and worthy of an autograph request.
The Kard. sisters, the Hilton sisters, etc. are ONLY famous because
they were born with a name. Von D is ONLY a tattoo artist. They have
not contributed anything to this country to be worthy of an autograph
request. LOL Hillary Duff, Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus are only
famous because of the "Disney Machine" cookie cutter. Other than
Christina Aguilera, we've seen how well the results have been with the
cookie cutters. :-) For me, I would rather have those "forgotten"
celebs. Now, if Ford was a realistic price for someone that actually
works for a living, then I would be interested in his too, but not
these astronomical prices. People may be paying it, but he's not
worth that value. Just my .02¢.

--


Mike
Gummby3
-= Star Collector =-
www.star-collector.net
Celebrity addresses the way they should be - free.


"barefoot" wrote in message
...
you say that people won't be able to re sell them...but to be
honest...i don't think that people buying the autographs for$300 or
so
are intending to sell them...yes, you are right, it's probably the
top
of the market to sell any living person's autograph for $300+. but
i'm
gonna say this. it's tough out there. and it's not worth the time to
sell it for less. i tried to sell a ford, for $75 on ebay, like 4
years ago. but it got no bids. but there were at least 5, for under
$30 and they all got bids. and none of those were real.

you could be right, obvious there are fewer lawrence
olivier's...much
fewer. but i think you are wrong in thinking that people who love
old
hollywood will always care. i think when generations die down,
people
stop caring. out of sight, out of mind. and as hollywood keeps
making
remakes of movies, people will care even less. Charlton heston
doesn't
sell. he didn't sell before he passed, and doesn't sell after. even
if
you factor out the ebay's "hot now" scenario, old, deceased actors
don't matter to a lot of people unless they are coinsiderably older.
a
20 year old doesn't walk into an autograph store and get excited by
a
lawrence olivier, but they will buy the cast photo signed by the
kardashian sisters for $100. or, in my case, at frank n sons, i sold
a
STACK of kat von d autographs for $50 a piece, but my kirk douglas
just sits there and no one asks about him. same price. so using that
logic, i'd say that once the people 50 and older start to pass on,
the
legacy of olivier(and others like him) will fade into oblivion.
m

Ironically, I was talking with some people along those lines too.
It's amazing how many of the 80's groups are still popular enough to
not only still be touring, but to actually DRAW a crowd of fans.
Heck, look at The Stones. They have to be held up with a walker
(tongue in cheek), but they still sell out venues. That can not be
said by most of the groups/singers from the last two decades. Now,
there are some actors/actresses that we have today that are going to
have some staying power. I think Kate Hudson will have a longer
career than her mother, for example, but you are correct that a good
portion of the current hot actors are going to disappear by this time
20 years from now.

--


Mike
Gummby3
-= Star Collector =-
www.star-collector.net
Celebrity addresses the way they should be - free.


"Sue H" wrote in message
...

That's true to some extent and very sad when you think about it. We
were talking about this this past weekend with rock Stars. We'd
gone
to Van Halen and were discussing how many groups like that NOW could
be potentially touring in 20-30 years still. We felt like probably
less than 1/10th of the bands from the 60s-80's. Nothing from the
90's or 2000's really seems to be quality enough to stick. You
might
see Mirah or something, but really do you see any bands from the
90's
really still huge? Same with actors. The quality has gone way
down.
Rare good acting is around and even those with some talent, say a
Tom
Cruise, become pop culture fodder and it usurps their talent, so
they
don't make it into the fold of classic. Those like Britney who
you'd
think could be one of the ones to keep touring at an older age (like
say Madonna), most likely will NOT ever come back. The culture and
crap surrounding them becomes bigger than themselves. it's a shame.

Charlton heston doesn't
sell. he didn't sell before he passed, and doesn't sell after. even
if
you factor out the ebay's "hot now" scenario, old, deceased actors
don't matter to a lot of people unless they are coinsiderably older.
a
20 year old doesn't walk into an autograph store and get excited by
a
lawrence olivier, but they will buy the cast photo signed by the
kardashian sisters for $100. or, in my case, at frank n sons, i sold
a
STACK of kat von d autographs for $50 a piece, but my kirk douglas
just sits there and no one asks about him. same price. so using that
logic, i'd say that once the people 50 and older start to pass on,
the
legacy of olivier(and others like him) will fade into oblivion.
m

I would say Charlton Heston sells and will continue to sell on the
right items. The problem with him is the sheer amount of stuff out
there. He doesn't need to be forged (though I've seen it which
shows
you how stupid and lazy some forgers are) because he signs
everything
for anyone, anytime in any place. The Kardashian sisters etc are
crap; they'll be popular another year or so and then struggle
because
they have NO talent and will become Paris or Britney; trying to hold
to a fame that will be taken over by new blood. So sell them now
because it's my guess they'll be the Joey Lawrences, Scott Baios,
and
Punky Brewsters of the near future.