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Noodler's ink question
How resistant to fading from sun and/or time are these
inks? Are some more archival than others? |
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My instincts would say yes, some will be better than others. I haven't
done any tests myself. I assume that the black, and the other colours that are advertised as permanent (the black plus the more expensive ones, to put it bluntly), will be the most durable. For the ultimate resource on questions like this, go to http://www.inksampler.com/ |
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To an extent, the answer depends on what you mean by "archival". If
you mean it literally (i.e., the document will spend most of its life locked away in a dark, dry file drawer), then just about any of the Noodler's inks -- and most others, too -- will fit the bill. But if you're also concerned about water and UV resistance, some Noodler's may fare better than others. In the non-waterproof line, I believe that Blue-Black, Aircorps Blue-Black, Walnut, and Zhivago have a rep for bulletproofness (and passed Greg Clark's bulletproof test). Nathan has also mentioned Navy as one of the more water-resistant regular inks (and, in my experience, it is). The fraudproof Noodler's (Black, et al.) are sold as bulletproof, and they certainly appear to be. But let's talk again this time next century. :-) -- Viseguy |
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On 17 Jul 2005 21:35:32 -0700, "Viseguy" wrote:
To an extent, the answer depends on what you mean by "archival". Archival not only means that the ink will survive, but also that the paper it's on won't be damaged by it. Classic iron gall ink is as permanent as you might wish for, but has unwelcome effects on the paper. |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
Archival not only means that the ink will survive, but also that the paper it's on won't be damaged by it. True, and in that respect Noodler's have the neutral pH in their favor. Though, now, I wonder.... once the ink dries on paper, is acidity (or basicity) a factor any more? Any chemists out there? -- Viseguy |
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I think humidity in the environment means that this can matter - but
only over a very long time. |
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On 25 Jul 2005 19:15:19 -0700, "Viseguy" wrote:
True, and in that respect Noodler's have the neutral pH in their favor. Neutral pH isn't really a guarantee on its own. Nor is "acid free" paper. Unless you're working with colour photographs (when alkalinity is as bad as acid) then the paper materials should be "buffered" (i.e. an excess of a base) to guard against future acids. Though, now, I wonder.... once the ink dries on paper, is acidity (or basicity) a factor any more? Yes. Many problematic acid sources aren't even acid when they're first formed, they become acid as a result of some later process. And there's always sufficient moisture later on. |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
... Yes. Many problematic acid sources aren't even acid when they're first formed, they become acid as a result of some later process. And there's always sufficient moisture later on. Interesting. So how can any ink or paper claim to be "archival", and how reliable is any such claim? I went Googling for an answer, but didn't immediately find one. However, I did find the following item from the Library of Congress (U.S.), which seems to articulate criteria for an ink (in this case, stamping pad ink) that the LOC would deem to be archival: "Manuscript Marking Inks Now Available" http://www.loc.gov/preserv/inks.html It says, in part: "The ideal ink for marking paper-based materials should have all of the following properties. It should be non-fading (i.e., stable for at least one hundred years as measured by accelerated aging and light exposure tests) and not removeable with solvents or bleaches. It should be nondestructive to paper and should neither bleed nor migrate into surrounding or adjacent paper. It should have a neutral or slightly alkaline pH (pH 7.0-8.0). Finally , it should be slow to dry on the stamp pad but fast to dry on the document." It would be very interesting to know how Noodler's Black and the other Noodler's "eternal" inks stack up to this standard. I guess we will know 99 years from now. -- Viseguy |
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It would seem to me that a neutral PH, resistance to fading from exposure to light and being waterproof is as much as we can expect from the maker. Obviously, there's no control over the paper the ink's placed on. The newer low or no sulphide papers should hold up well. Now, if I can just figure out a way to live another hundred years or two, I'll be able to form an opinion. Larry Jones On 31 Jul 2005 19:02:50 -0700, "Viseguy" wrote: Andy Dingley wrote: ... Yes. Many problematic acid sources aren't even acid when they're first formed, they become acid as a result of some later process. And there's always sufficient moisture later on. Interesting. So how can any ink or paper claim to be "archival", and how reliable is any such claim? I went Googling for an answer, but didn't immediately find one. However, I did find the following item from the Library of Congress (U.S.), which seems to articulate criteria for an ink (in this case, stamping pad ink) that the LOC would deem to be archival: "Manuscript Marking Inks Now Available" http://www.loc.gov/preserv/inks.html It says, in part: "The ideal ink for marking paper-based materials should have all of the following properties. It should be non-fading (i.e., stable for at least one hundred years as measured by accelerated aging and light exposure tests) and not removeable with solvents or bleaches. It should be nondestructive to paper and should neither bleed nor migrate into surrounding or adjacent paper. It should have a neutral or slightly alkaline pH (pH 7.0-8.0). Finally , it should be slow to dry on the stamp pad but fast to dry on the document." It would be very interesting to know how Noodler's Black and the other Noodler's "eternal" inks stack up to this standard. I guess we will know 99 years from now. |
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J. L. Jones wrote:
... Now, if I can just figure out a way to live another hundred years or two, I'll be able to form an opinion. If you find a way, please post here (and in alt.live.forever). :-) But seriously, I would like to know what "accelerated aging and light exposure tests" the LOC uses, and how they compare to Greg Clark's "bulletproof" experiments. In case the fountain of youth does not gush forth during our lifetimes.... -- Viseguy |
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