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Cut Squares of Postal Stationary
I'm going through a cut square collection. I seem to have hundreds if
not thousands. I'm at the same time writing in a message box the pros and cons of cut squares trying to understand why they have never excited the stamp collector as much as other areas. Are they boring? Difficult with their die variations? Postal Stationary enjoys popularity in Postal History with up-rating with stamps and rare cancels. Some hard core stamp collectors would even collect used Entires for select reasons but what are some reasons that a stamp collector would go after a lowly cut square? US cut squares have some huge catalog values but I rarely witness the sale of these items. Why is it you like or dislike Cut Squares? Positives: Never been soaked Rarely with thins Never pulled perfs On nice papers Resembles imperforates but with nice big margins Has many overprint varieties Has clear cancels because of flatness Has some unique designs Can be in combination with stamps Not much forgery No gum problems, maybe on registered flaps No hinged problems (or is hinging a problem?) Can contain the entire cancel Negatives: Not many series of denominations Not many commemorative designs Many designs lack the complexity of stamp designs Mostly one color So many cameos Margin problems and cancels cut away A mint cut square really isn't mint, now is it TL |
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On 14 Jan 2007 14:21:13 -0800, "TL" wrote:
I'm going through a cut square collection. I seem to have hundreds if not thousands. I'm at the same time writing in a message box the pros and cons of cut squares trying to understand why they have never excited the stamp collector as much as other areas. Are they boring? Difficult with their die variations? Postal Stationary enjoys popularity in Postal History with up-rating with stamps and rare cancels. Some hard core stamp collectors would even collect used Entires for select reasons but what are some reasons that a stamp collector would go after a lowly cut square? US cut squares have some huge catalog values but I rarely witness the sale of these items. Why is it you like or dislike Cut Squares? I used to collect them. I now save them to give away to anyone who wants them. I was going to collect postal stationery but with my current collecting interests, it was way out of my league (money & time). Positives: Never been soaked No necessarily. Had to soak many of them with nasty hinges. Rarely with thins Most times. Never pulled perfs Absolutely. On nice papers Some are extremely nice, especially the colored paper from days of yore. Resembles imperforates but with nice big margins If someone cuts it correctly, or if the entire wasn't sliced and diced on the postage side of the entire. Has many overprint varieties Many countries have done this, according to H&G. Has clear cancels because of flatness What about the embossed squares? Has some unique designs The Columbians, some of the latter 18th century. The newer ones are sometimes 2 pieces, hologram or other... Can be in combination with stamps Interesting sub area to collect, no doubt. Not much forgery True, but some. No gum problems, maybe on registered flaps BC and their gum on the same side of the entire. Yuck. No hinged problems (or is hinging a problem?) Plenty, in older collections. Multi-hinged gunk at times. Can contain the entire cancel If the person cuts it as such. Negatives: Not many series of denominations Except for the 19th century stuff. Not many commemorative designs True, but some pictorials exist. Many designs lack the complexity of stamp designs But are themselves complex enough to baffle some of the best philatelists. Mostly one color True. So many cameos Yup. Margin problems and cancels cut away Many times. Cleaning up old collections, one will see this a lot. A mint cut square really isn't mint, now is it No, because it truly can't be used elsewhere. |
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Tracy,
Seems to me that soaking some cut corners would be more ruinous than leaving the hinge remnant. The embossed concept seems to have been an early idea that stayed and made up somewhat for the simplistic designs. Tom wrote: On 14 Jan 2007 14:21:13 -0800, "TL" wrote: I'm going through a cut square collection. I seem to have hundreds if not thousands. I'm at the same time writing in a message box the pros and cons of cut squares trying to understand why they have never excited the stamp collector as much as other areas. Are they boring? Difficult with their die variations? Postal Stationary enjoys popularity in Postal History with up-rating with stamps and rare cancels. Some hard core stamp collectors would even collect used Entires for select reasons but what are some reasons that a stamp collector would go after a lowly cut square? US cut squares have some huge catalog values but I rarely witness the sale of these items. Why is it you like or dislike Cut Squares? I used to collect them. I now save them to give away to anyone who wants them. I was going to collect postal stationery but with my current collecting interests, it was way out of my league (money & time). Positives: Never been soaked No necessarily. Had to soak many of them with nasty hinges. Has clear cancels because of flatness What about the embossed squares? No hinged problems (or is hinging a problem?) Plenty, in older collections. Multi-hinged gunk at times. |
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Jay,
One can ask that now but really, as the hobby evolved why would collectors soak millions of stamps off of envelopes and for some strange reason collect stationary in its entirety? Tom Jay T. Carrigan wrote: I've never understood why anyone would want to collect mutilated postal stationery! Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi www.jaypex.com In article . com, says... I'm going through a cut square collection. I seem to have hundreds if not thousands. I'm at the same time writing in a message box the pros and cons of cut squares trying to understand why they have never excited the stamp collector as much as other areas. Are they boring? Difficult with their die variations? Postal Stationary enjoys popularity in Postal History with up-rating with stamps and rare cancels. Some hard core stamp collectors would even collect used Entires for select reasons but what are some reasons that a stamp collector would go after a lowly cut square? US cut squares have some huge catalog values but I rarely witness the sale of these items. Why is it you like or dislike Cut Squares? Positives: Never been soaked Rarely with thins Never pulled perfs On nice papers Resembles imperforates but with nice big margins Has many overprint varieties Has clear cancels because of flatness Has some unique designs Can be in combination with stamps Not much forgery No gum problems, maybe on registered flaps No hinged problems (or is hinging a problem?) Can contain the entire cancel Negatives: Not many series of denominations Not many commemorative designs Many designs lack the complexity of stamp designs Mostly one color So many cameos Margin problems and cancels cut away A mint cut square really isn't mint, now is it TL |
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Hi
Many, many years ago, worldwide cut squares were listed in woldwide catalogues, such as Scott's until about 1903. I have an album printed in Germany around 1903 that included spaces for worldwide cut squares. Actually about one third of the album was for cut squares. Both envelope and postal cards were collected as cut squares. Possibly one reason for the lack of interest is no readly available catalog or albums. H&G is curently out of date but I've heard that it may be updated in the near future. But that will only value entire envelopes or poatal cards. Have fun, Art |
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Art,
I bet it is a Lucke's Permanent Ganzsachen Album. Seems "Ganzsachen-Teil" means "Complete Things-Part". Tom Art wrote: Hi Many, many years ago, worldwide cut squares were listed in woldwide catalogues, such as Scott's until about 1903. I have an album printed in Germany around 1903 that included spaces for worldwide cut squares. Actually about one third of the album was for cut squares. Both envelope and postal cards were collected as cut squares. Possibly one reason for the lack of interest is no readly available catalog or albums. H&G is curently out of date but I've heard that it may be updated in the near future. But that will only value entire envelopes or poatal cards. Have fun, Art |
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Art wrote:
Many, many years ago, worldwide cut squares were listed in woldwide catalogues, such as Scott's until about 1903. The older Scott standard catalogues used to price their U.S. listings as cut squares - I have a 1975 catalogue that says the entire envelopes are valued only in the U.S. Specialized Catalogue. Funny to me (as a Canadian) is that this 1975 version uses the spelling "catalogue" instead of the common American spelling "catalog". I seem to recall some years where the Scott catalogue then switched to listing entires, with a note saying cut squares were valued at 50%. And now there's no indication of value at all. Ryan |
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On 14 Jan 2007 18:55:17 -0800, "TL" wrote:
Art, I bet it is a Lucke's Permanent Ganzsachen Album. Seems "Ganzsachen-Teil" means "Complete Things-Part". Art's right. Actually, I had an album a while back and it had El Salvador cut squares and spots for them. I've also seen older albums on eBay that included cut squares. Art wrote: Hi Many, many years ago, worldwide cut squares were listed in woldwide catalogues, such as Scott's until about 1903. I have an album printed in Germany around 1903 that included spaces for worldwide cut squares. Actually about one third of the album was for cut squares. Both envelope and postal cards were collected as cut squares. Possibly one reason for the lack of interest is no readly available catalog or albums. H&G is curently out of date but I've heard that it may be updated in the near future. But that will only value entire envelopes or poatal cards. Have fun, Art |
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