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Map Reading: flu ?
I am currently reading the life story of Richard Hakluyt
and the Roanoke and Virginia voyages. The cover Map (Chesapeak Bay detail 1624) by Captain John Smith shows what are undoubtedly rivers, but he has them as "flu's" Someone in this forum is a map aficionado IIRC, and may offer some background info please on this term? Thanks |
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Map Reading: flu ?
Possibly from the word effluent. Effluent
is an outflowing of water from a natural body of water, or from a man-made structure. Otherwise it is possibly from the French word "fleuve". (as opposed to rivière) The word fleuve means a large river, which runs to the ocean or sea. There is no word in English that distinguishes this type of a river from others, and thus is appropriately translated by river. 2003 - Canada - Fleuve Yukon - Yukon River stamp. http://www.lino.com/~marcelg/fleyukon.htm 2003 - Canada - Fleuve Fraser - Fraser River stamp. http://www.lino.com/~marcelg/flefrase.htm 2000 - Slovakia - Pont sur le fleuve Hormad - Bridge on the Hormad river http://www.phila-mail.com/philastore.../SLVA00118.jpg 2002 - Russia - 300ème Anniversaire de Saint Pétersbourg - Vue de St Pierre et de la Forteresse de Paul, et du Fleuve Neva -- 300th Anniversary of St Petersburg as seen from from the Peter and Paul fortress and the Neva river. http://www.wnsstamps.ch/stamps/RU028...8.02-full.jpeg Blair |
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Map Reading: flu ?
Rod
Old maps were invariably written in Latin - thus fl. is a shortening of Flumen - Latin for river. All the best Robert |
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Map Reading: flu ?
Thank you gentlemen,
both replies seem appropriate, my personal guess had been a derivative of "effluent". The only arbiter must be the map maker, otherwise I would tend to lean a little Blair's direction, In Richard Hakluyt's corresspondence to both Queen Elizabeth and Sir Walter Raleigh, his propaganda message was to occupy the Northern land mass as soon as possible, the French had been busy naming headlands, rivers, capes etc, and he felt without a prompt voyage with Royal backing, the Virginia area may have been lost together with all that it seemed to offer, ergo French influence must have carried down to the map maker. Latin is not in evidence in the rest of the map. For a bo-peep http://cjoint.com/data/fFdRSwpAeX.htm "Rod" wrote in message ... I am currently reading the life story of Richard Hakluyt and the Roanoke and Virginia voyages. The cover Map (Chesapeak Bay detail 1624) by Captain John Smith shows what are undoubtedly rivers, but he has them as "flu's" Someone in this forum is a map aficionado IIRC, and may offer some background info please on this term? Thanks |
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Map Reading: flu ?
Rod a écrit :
........................ergo French influence must have carried down to the map maker. Latin is not in evidence in the rest of the map. For a bo-peep http://cjoint.com/data/fFdRSwpAeX.htm Rod, That seems right : one can read : - in the center of the map : "Ceader Ile" [Ceader Island] unless it is "Ceader Fle" an abbreviation of Fleuve ??? I am uncertain of this 1st letter I or F ??? -also on the left : "Sharpes Ile" On the two large estuaries Powhatan & Pamaunk, "flu" is followed by the sign ":" meaning an abbreviation ??? But I also like Robert's explanation : latin - especially in Science - was / is still used as a common language in many cases (like now in botanic sciences). HTH -- All the best, Pierre |
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Map Reading: flu ?
G'day Pierre, so are you "sitting on the fence" like me? a few comments: Yes Ceader (cedar) Isle, referring to those tiny islets - in the center of the map : "Ceader Ile" [Ceader Island] unless it is "Ceader Fle" an abbreviation of Fleuve ??? I am uncertain of this 1st letter I or F ??? -also on the left : "Sharpes Ile" On the two large estuaries Powhatan & Pamaunk, "flu" is followed by the sign ":" meaning an abbreviation ??? Yes I noted that, the horiz punctuations mean abbrev, but for what But I also like Robert's explanation : latin - especially in Science - was / is still used as a common language in many cases (like now in botanic sciences). Me too! seems logical, but logic sometimes bites us on the snout! |
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Map Reading: flu ?
I think I have the definitive answer, and I think it proves that I am right. The original 1612 map was in Latin - see link showing interactive colour copy describing "Nova Virginiae Tabula" - A new map of Virginia. All the inscriptions are in Latin. When translated into English it is likely that only the language in the Cartouches was altered leaving "Flu" for Flumen. I hope that this is QED. http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...lr%3D%26sa%3DG I KNOW THE LINK IS LONG BUT IT IS WORTH IT! Robert |
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Map Reading: flu ?
G'day Robert,
thanks, I've only had a short browse prior to writing this, your argument looks good Unlike the speed at which the universe is expanding, I find the older I get the more that history seems to shrink, once, I could not contemplate so far back into time such as to the 14th century, but now it feels just a moment ago. I notice with delight on that map, John White's sketch of the Indian Queen, it was only yesterday I was absolutely lost in imagination, looking through his portfolio on line, that particular sketch should also show her 8-10 year old daughter, clutching in her hand a puritan-like European Doll! (trinkets for the natives indeed) I can also link then, this sketch and its link to William Strachey, (his account of the Virginia voyage of 1609) to one William Shakepeare, whose drama "The Tempest" was drawn from. (I tried unsuccesfully to read this last year). Cheers and regards. "derbyboi" wrote in message oups.com... I think I have the definitive answer, and I think it proves that I am right. The original 1612 map was in Latin - see link showing interactive colour copy describing "Nova Virginiae Tabula" - A new map of Virginia. All the inscriptions are in Latin. When translated into English it is likely that only the language in the Cartouches was altered leaving "Flu" for Flumen. I hope that this is QED. http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...g/chesapeakeba y/colonial/map/map.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mariner.org/chesapeakebay/coloni al/col009.html&h=216&w=250&sz=12&tbnid=o-gQFCFl8xJiiM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=106&hl=e n&start=12&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djohn%2Bsmith%2Bmap%2Bchesapeake%2Bbay %2B%26svn um%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG I KNOW THE LINK IS LONG BUT IT IS WORTH IT! Robert |
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Map Reading: flu ?
Pierre COURTIADE wrote: Rod a écrit : ........................ergo French influence must have carried down to the map maker. Latin is not in evidence in the rest of the map. For a bo-peep http://cjoint.com/data/fFdRSwpAeX.htm Rod, That seems right : one can read : - in the center of the map : "Ceader Ile" [Ceader Island] unless it is "Ceader Fle" an abbreviation of Fleuve ??? I am uncertain of this 1st letter I or F ??? -also on the left : "Sharpes Ile" On the two large estuaries Powhatan & Pamaunk, "flu" is followed by the sign ":" meaning an abbreviation ??? But I also like Robert's explanation : latin - especially in Science - was / is still used as a common language in many cases (like now in botanic sciences). HTH -- All the best, Pierre Pier It is Ceader Ile.(island). Notice that the Fs in Flu are crossed half way down. Cedar Island, Virginia. http://www.cedarislandva.com/cedarisland.html http://www.vcrlter.virginia.edu/gall...10&id=DSC02404 Blair |
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Map Reading: flu ?
Blair (TC) a écrit :
Pier It is Ceader Ile.(island). Notice that the Fs in Flu are crossed half way down. Cedar Island, Virginia. http://www.cedarislandva.com/cedarisland.html http://www.vcrlter.virginia.edu/gall...10&id=DSC02404 Blair Thanks Blair : very helpful ! -- All the best, Pierre |
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